BTMiata

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Definitely some shady stuff there...

thenuge26

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Yeah how stupid does the FBI think we are? They think they found the "bombers" by interviewing suspects and ****, when clearly all they really needed to do is draw red circles and arrows on pictures.

Braineack

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Yeah, see, ignoring all the seal team pics, the boat scenario is what bothers me.

So this dude was hiding out in a boat from 2 a.m. until about 7 p.m. After "running over his brother" and elluding FBI agents in a bomb tossing excercise.

They apparently knew he was in the area and proceeded to use the Patriot Act to search people door-by-door.

They search the property with the boat, and then soon after the homeowner calls police and says: hey my boat has blood in it and a body inside. derp it must be this dude.

They unload about 50 rounds into the boat at 7 p.m. after the suspect apparently pointed a gun at them and opened fire. None of the rounds hit him.

After flash banging him a bunch of times, they proceeded to wait an additional hour and fourty-five minutes before they finally convinced him to surrender himself and exit to boat on his own accord.

There is photo/video of him getting out of the boat, no blood. There are no signs of blood on outside of the boat at this time. There is no blood on the inside of the boat. What blood did the homeowner see?

There is photo/video of the suspect's face covered in blood after a "self-inflicted gunshot wound."

The next morning, you can see a huge stain of blood on the outside of the boat.

No additional gunfire was heard/recorded.

Huge dick-sucking gang-bang circle-jerk for militarized policed after aprehension.


Just doesn't seem to add up, call me crazy, but what if the FBI put his body there? At this point, the best story for me to believe is that the FBI were doing bomb training, recruited these guys in an entrapment case to go blow **** up, they did, and then they got to play the heros and push agendas. It's just easier for me to believe that the FBI is just doing things it already has done in the past vs. a crazy sensationalized story with tons of holes and suspiscion.


and the whole shoot-out which led to one brother being run over...just doens't make any sense at all.

http://www.getonhand.com/blogs/news/...otout-pictures

or why they didnt flee.

or why they didnt have cash.

or why did they need cash if they wanted to just go out in a bang.

or how they didnt know how atms worked because the $800 limit wasn't enough cash.

or why they kept a stolen phone so they'd be tracked by GPS.

or why they randomly killed an MIT officer just before they took their first carjacking.

or why they picked up their car from an auto repair shop on tuesday.

or why they partied for three days before going on a crime spree which ended up in a sensationalized chase/caputre.

or why they'd confess to the hostage.

Braineack

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Seefo

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Suspects and ****? What suspects? According to what they have been telling us, its been people submitted videos and surveillance. I am not big on the arrows thing, but you have to really think, the FBI doesn't have some super secret special tools here. The best thing they could have is facial recognition for identifying likely culprits (ie terrorist watch list, convicts, people of interest, etc) in pictures/videos, but they have already stated that the vast majority of these images are just not detailed enough to get good matches. They have a bunch of "experts" sitting around watching these videos for great details, and I don't doubt they have some red circles on some pictures some where.

I am not really sure about seals or blackwater or whatever, but what confuses me is how the story keeps changing, or at least it seems like to me. Is it the media? or is the police changing information? Are the feds sharing information too soon? or do they not know either?

For example, there is videos of Tamerlan on the ground and the cops around him, with practically no blood or anything (like the picture at the link I posted earlier). News states suspect in custody etc. Then not 30 minutes to an hour later, he is shot and blown up. Then 30 minutes later, he is run over? On top of this, Dzhokar rams the cop barricade. One story says he gets out and runs right after. The other says he kept driving, then abandonned the SUV. This seems to make some sense, but when you see where tamerlan is, its hard to believe anyone could escape that in a plain ol' SUV.

The boat thing is weird. I totally agree with Braineack. I am not sure where to begin, but I have a hard time believing anything about the boat. If he tried to commit suicide, then why didn't he finish himself off? Why did he surrender if his intention was to kill himself? If the neighbor went out to check the boat, why didn't Dzohkar shoot him? I have heard two stories now. One that the House with the boat was outside the Fed's search circle. The other is the house was searched, but they didn't find him.


Plus we have no motive what-so-ever. Dzhokar is a Dartmouth (premed) student and Tamerlan is married and has a daughter. They both had a future, and have been in the US for a long time (well maybe not Tamerlan, but he certainly seemd to enjoy the fruits). Dzhokar partied, played beer pong, and drank I am sure. He certainly doesn't seem very religious. I have friends here who have zero "American" friends, but they are still normal people (without any violent tendencies), so those bullshit blog quotes don't convince me of a serious social detachment.

So whats missing here really? Am I just looking for ghosts or is there more to this story?

Ryan_G

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What I think is funny about all the bitching about all of the FBI sting operations that "entrapped" people as terrorists is that people are failing to realize all that happened is that the FBI targeted people that had already openly expressed the desire to carry out terrorist acts and "recruited" them before actual terrorists got to them first. How do you think people are radicalized in the first place?

What the FBI is doing in these cases is a classic sting operating no different than when they set people up for other crimes. It is not entrapment because these people are predisposed to commit these crimes which is often evidenced by statements they make on blogs/forums.

It should also be noted that when the FBI performs these stings all of the explosive materials are provided to the suspects and are always duds that cannot actually be used. This was not an FBI inside job. For those of you asking why they would be performing bomb drills during a huge public gathering, you know like the kind terrorists like to target, are obviously not aware that agencies like to simulate real life situations.

I am not saying there are not holes in this story but it has already been stated that not all of the evidence has been released because the trial has not even started yet. Jumping to conclusions now would be ignorant. Wait until after the trial when all evidence is made public to draw conclusions about what adds up and what does not.

EDIT: I also wonder how anyone with a conspiracy theory thinks that the government is able to successfully brainwash every member of every law enforcement agency involved in these events to make them go along with this **** and never have a major leak. With the amount of people that are out there trying to find corruption and huge conspiracies no one has yet to provide solid evidence that is irrefutable. Do you really think that the government is just THAT good at covering it up that everytime someone wants to expose it the govt. can completely shut it down? Not one mole would be smart enough to leak the information in a way the government could not control it?

Braineack

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orly?

18psi

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Brain - all those questions will never, ever be answered. Or if they do, it will be so many years from now that it won't really matter, and national geographic or the history channel or someone will make some documentary about it for entertainment purposes and no one will care.
redundant/
I kinda laugh at the 2 extremes going on here:
1) the believers 2) the non-believers

The former will believe every single word being fed into their eyes/ears and not question anything.
The latter will question everything and often get so carried away with theories that they won't even be able to distinguish fact from fiction (or they simply don't know which is which)
There is a very small 3rd group: the guys that realize that the media is dishing out 95% bs, but since we obviously don't know the real truth all we can say is "something is weird about this, it doesn't make complete sense"
/redundant

Braineack

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I mean, if you have two people you "hired" to go bomb a marathon, wouldn't it be easy to present evidence in order to convict them; since they obviously did it.

that's only a small part of a huge picture. that's like looking at A Sunday Afternoon on the Island of La Grande Jatte so close you can only see one dot.

Ryan_G

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I am not talking about proving he did it. I am talking about evidence that may speak to some of the holes in the story that have been pointed out. I have no idea what kind of evidence they have. If they never release anything that can explain why there was no blood in the pictures or why the story kept changing or various other inconsistencies then question away. I am not saying the government is Jesus and never does wrong but people like to jump to conclusions when they do not have all the facts and more will be released in time.

Braineack

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Well at this point, they'll only release whatever supports their narrative.

Seefo

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They "don't have to". I can't tell you how many recorded phone conversations get cropped by federal prosecutors and only the part relevant to conviction is submitted to evidence. They "don't have" the part which gives context to the conversation.

I am not big on conspiracy theories, but I have a serious distrust of anything involving ICE/FBI (and generally government).

Braineack

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no **** they dont have to, and won't.

Ryan_G

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Only the portion relevant to conviction is played for the jury. They always submit all of the recordings as evidence but it is usually some ridiculous amount like 1800 hours of conversations. The jury is free to listen to every bit if they want to but they never do because it would take up too much of their time. Of course, the prosecutor cuts out only a portion. The defense attorney is free to play the rest. Trials are just a big game and the government has a lot of resources.

Braineack

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I dunno about you guys, but if I were invovled in some crazy cover-up inside job, I'd probably only submit evidence that would support my accusations and not reveal the true story...

so suggesting I wait for the trial and the US's case against this dude is silly. I acutally want the truth.

Remember Zimmerman?

18psi

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THIS!!

Seriously. +1000000

Ryan_G

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Ok. So now you are taking a cover up/conspiracy stance so please address my previous concern.

You are claiming that the government is so good at cover ups that they have not had one major slip up that has escalated out of their control ever. The same government that you have also proclaimed time and time again is unable to do a single thing efficiently. That seems like a contradictory view of how well the government operates. They are unable to provide efficient services but they can successfully silence every single employee they have that is involved in a cover up. Seems legit to me.

thenuge26

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More proof that the free market does everything better than the government! These conspiracy theories are much more entertaining than the story the government is putting out.

Braineack

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I'm addressing a lot of ****, **** your concerns, you're just being annoying.

I question everything; Hell I can think of twenty different stories that would sound more plausible right now.

Brain: Hey guys, these events are so odd, they dont add up.
Ryan_G: Wait till the goverment sucks your *****. Patriot Act, ************.
Brain: okay.

Ryan_G

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Comprehensive response. I guess if you ignore it you don't have to justify it to yourself.

Question everything. It is good to not accept everything at face value but you have to use actual evidence to support your conclusion. A lack of evidence is not, in fact, evidence itself.

I am not saying I believe everything went down the way the government is claiming and that there are not holes but I am so amazed how quickly people jump to the government conspiracy theory explanations. I find it more likely that things are spun a certain way to cover up mistakes made during the investigation or to pursue a specific political agenda. I do not believe, however, that the government hired two people to set off an explosive device in a crowd of civilians. If you can give me hard evidence of the contrary then I'll change my view but jumping to that conclusion otherwise is extreme.