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Old 12-07-2010, 05:39 PM   #81
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its kinda funny how useless the gov't is in preventing the info from continuing to be dumped online.
+1. The Internet is a game changer. Just like how the Guttenberg press was, which ended the tyranny of the Catholic Church.
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No. More accurately, I want to know what Bank of America is hiding that might in some tangential way affect my own mortgage which is currently held by said bank.
They gave your mortgage to me and I now own your house. PM me for my address of where you need to start mailing the checks to.
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Old 12-07-2010, 05:43 PM   #83
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Interestingly enough, I agree with "The State" being the enemy of freedom, but also believe that it is ours to reign in. It is our dragon to fight and harness, but I will defend her vehemently against foreign aggression. I can have a fist fight with my brother, but you better not have a fist fight with my brother or I will fight with him against you.

Some of what you said sounds like you watch too many movies.

"The Matrix is a system, Neo. That system is our enemy."
I rather lean more towards this:
http://spectator.org/archives/2010/0...-and-the/print
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Old 12-07-2010, 05:47 PM   #84
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If it is that, that is wild.
I really, really want to read whatever is in it. Anything that has the US govt petrified of a single person has to be worth reading.
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Re: the recent leaks - it's not the "US Gov't" that's petrified, it's only the State Dep't.
The leaks made em look like gossiping schoolgirls unworthy of our respect and tax money.
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Re: the recent leaks - it's not the "US Gov't" that's petrified, it's only the State Dep't.
The leaks made em look like gossiping schoolgirls unworthy of our respect and tax money.
We were speaking of the Wikileaks insurance files, not the recent leaks

Also, update on the insurance files:

Wikileaks founder to release encrypted files if arrested

Dec 5, 2010 by ■ Michael Krebs - 10 comments

Read more: http://www.digitaljournal.com/articl...#ixzz17T01v0Jw

As an insurance against the possibility of arrest by any number of governments, Wikileaks founder Julian Assange has promised to release encrypted files on additional government and private sector secrets.
The high stakes game with Wikileaks founder Julian Assange just became significantly more intense, as the pressure from government and private sector sources may trigger Mr. Assange to release what he terms "insurance files" on everything from Guantanamo Bay to Bank of America. If he is arrested by any government for any reason - including the sexual assault case pending against him in Sweden - Assange intends to release encrypted files that can easily be decoded with a simple password.
The Wikileaks saga has been unfolding quite publicly, with US Senate Republican leader Mitch McConnell suggesting that Assange be considered a "high-tech terrorist" - an opening salvo in the search for a US government prosecution against the elusive Assange.
Vast releases of US diplomatic cables from the Wikileaks site have put US Secretary of State Hillary Clinton on an embarrassing back foot.
At a Saturday event where she hosted Kennedy Center Honor recipients, Clinton attempted a joke on the impression the attendees made upon her, saying: "I am writing a cable about it, which I'm sure you'll find soon on your closest website."
In a recent interview with Time, Assange has suggested Clinton resign from her post, citing her role in the controversial cables.
The Wikileaks matter has left the US government with egg on its face, and the end result appears to be a prosecution pursuit against Assange.
“We have over a long period of time distributed encrypted backups of material we have yet to release. All we have to do is release the password to that material, and it is instantly available,” Assange said, according to a New York Post report.
The "doomsday files," as they are otherwise described, are said to be 1.4 gigabytes - large enough to contain more data than has been released to date.
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they are just cables. everything is just out there on them. The US Gov't has it's own private internet...think of it as an email account that everyone with a TS/SCI clearance can see. Too many people have access to SIPRnet.
SIPRnet is not a TS network... JWICS and NSAnet are. Agreed, too many people have access to SIPR, but that's more a result of too many people having secret clearances, IMO.

jayc72 - You would be held liable. EDIT - I re-read your post, looks like we're in agreement. Only skimmed it before.

NA6Cguy - You're absolutely right.

Those of you questioning the legality of Wikileaks' activity or invoking freedom of the press are really missing the point. This isn't the freaking Supreme Court, it's a car forum. All that is here are opinions, so if a member says he wouldn't mind if Assange disappeared, why argue that he's not doing anything illegal? It doesn't matter, not in this arena.

Speaking of "illegal", what's been leaked that shows wrongdoing, again? The helicopter video? Oh I'm sorry, if you're in Iraq, during a war, running around with an object on your shoulder amidst gunmen, you're in the wrong place at the wrong time and should have known better. I would have fired on them too, because for all the pilot knew, those were RPGs or Stingers.

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That's all fine and dandy except wiki leaks facilitated the infiltration in an attempt to undermine OUR govt.
This is one point that you and I agree on.

It's not like Wikileaks is a newspaper or any sort of "press". It's a site set up for the sole advertised purpose of providing a place for "leakers" to intentionally spill classified information.

Yeah, it's dressed up as serving "right to know" and "holding governments accountable", which is BS. It uses secret information to intentionally paint a bad image of the US and our allies and undermine our interests. It's the worst kind of biased "journalism", for lack of a better word.

Gah, I could rant about this subject all day long, but I shouldn't. Back to work for me.
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SIPRnet is not a TS network... JWICS and NSAnet are. Agreed, too many people have access to SIPR, but that's more a result of too many people having secret clearances, IMO.
Sorry you are right. It is NOT a TS network.

I don't believe any TS info has been leaked, nor will.
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Anyone contibuting classified documents to the site and any US citizen that aids in posting the content to the web should be charged with treason and hung from an oak tree by there ball sack until they die.

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Completely agreed.

It's not our place to know what the government is doing behind closed doors. It's better if we don't know. It's only our place to support troops.

Anyone contributing classified information or aiding those who do should be executed without trial for counter-revolutionary activities.

If no one had spoken of it, if everyone had kept quiet, people still might know nothing of the Holodomor except the eight million their unquestionable, unknowable government systematically and purposefully starved.

+1 comrade, +1.
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It's not our place to know what the government is doing behind closed doors. It's better if we don't know. It's only our place to support troops.

HAHAHAH. They ******* got you. You love big brother!



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HAHAHAH. They ******* got you. You love big brother!
You might want to read Nagase's post there, Brain.
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dammit. i c wut he did thar.
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You might want to read Nagase's post there, Brain.
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Anyone contributing classified information or aiding those who do should be executed without trial for counter-revolutionary activities.
Agreed, except for the "without trial" part. So far as I can tell, nobody is suggesting the imposition of martial law, suspension or repeal of the Sixth Amendment, etc.

Now, the outcome of said trial might very well be an acquittal, or a conviction to a lesser standard than one requiring the death penalty, and that's fine. It annoys me when people get up on soapboxes and start characterizing issues such as this as "all or nothing."

It has come into fashion, of late, to evoke the image of certain of the Founding Fathers to support various points of view on issues related to national security, war, economic and social policy, etc. So let me ask you this: If, during the revolutionary war, General Washington discovered that a colonist was transmitting copies of his correspondence with the French to a London newspaper, how long do you think it would take before said colonist found himself standing against a wall?
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The Founders weren't immune to the trappings of power despite the philosophy that went into the Declaration of Independence and the Federalist Papers.

For example, when John Adams was president he had a guy jailed for making fun of his girth.

Look to the philosophy, not the men.

Weak minds are concerned with appearances, mediocre minds with personalities, strong minds with ideas.
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A government of laws, and not of men.
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It has come into fashion, of late, to evoke the image of certain of the Founding Fathers to support various points of view on issues related to national security, war, economic and social policy, etc. So let me ask you this: If, during the revolutionary war, General Washington discovered that a colonist was transmitting copies of his correspondence with the French to a London newspaper, how long do you think it would take before said colonist found himself standing against a wall?
It has also come into fashion, of late, to massively overblow something so as to save someone's ***.

Let me be clear. I have read through almost all of what Wikileaks posted in their latest leak. Most of it should not have been classified at all. In fact, quite a bit was only classified because it was embarassing to someone politically. Why should politicians be able to hide stuff behind "Oh, it's national security!" when all they are doing is hiding their misdeeds and trying to cover their ***?
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Why should politicians be able to hide stuff behind "Oh, it's national security!" when all they are doing is hiding their misdeeds and trying to cover their ***?
That is for the courts to decide.

If they can't be trusted with this task, then we as a nation have far larger problems than Wikileaks.
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