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Old 11-12-2013, 10:52 AM   #261
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Find me the same setup with intel parts for $470 shipped (that's the $420 I could get this for plus the extra $50).

So an i5, intel MB, 80+ cert. >500w PSU, case, 7850 GPU, 8GB of Ram, and a 1TB 7200RPM HDD.

If you can do that I'll buy it today. I understand the limitations of the AMD chip, but I'm also living the limitations of my duo core 2 with only 4GB of DDR2 RAM. There's nothing new I'd do with this new computer than what I do now, so ANYTHING is an improvement.
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Or don't and live life happily knowing that you saved $50 and will never be able to tell the difference in which CPU you bought.
At least until 3 years down the line and the crappy chinese capacitors in the biostar MB burst.
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Old 11-12-2013, 10:55 AM   #263
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I was referencing the CPU.

I'd just like to make it clear i've never owned anything but an ASUS and Intel motherboard.

Honestly, what kills a motherboard for me is the BIOS. If it has a shitty BIOS i don't care how much it cost or what brand it is, it sucks. It works both ways.
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your capacitor makes ME bulge.


the only complaint I've seen about the bios is that it does not support mouse in the UI; lol.
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Old 11-12-2013, 11:24 AM   #265
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I have to agree with Brain here, There is nothing wrong with Amd Cpu's and they pack plenty of performance for a better deal. I'm still running a Phenom II 1045t Overclocked to 3.3 ghz, and it still packs plenty enough power to max out all my games at 1080p with my radeon hd 7970 maintaining 60 fps or more. I do think you can get a better deal on more quality components if you watch around. I would go with a nicer motherboard, and shoot for at least a radeon hd7850 with 2gb vram, as 1 GB vram runs out fast with modern games.
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Old 11-12-2013, 12:09 PM   #266
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I've been watching daily for deals, still the best I can piece together always ends up closer to $600 with very comparable components or a lot of times, less comparable.

I'm trying not to spend more than $500 right now on it. I could get away with 86ing the GPU and just keep using my HD4830 for now, then upgrade it when later, but i still probably wouldn't want to spend more than ~$100 on it as well.

I'm really tempted to just buy that combo, add another stick of 8GB, and just enjoy it.

I just do casual gaming, I'll play maybe 3 hours a week, and a few more on the weekend. For the game I play, it still works, but the computer is seriously struggling in photoshop and lightroom where I've been spending most of my time lately, and that's what's REALLY bugging me.

This combo will solve that and stay just within my arbitrary budget. (honestly I need to save cash cause I'm about to do a big project to our house and need the funds.)

phase two will be switching over to a SSD and then a better monitor with calibration software. My current monitor is awful; i lose a lot of detail in darker images/colors. A lot of times I'll look on my monitor of a picture and be like ugh my camera sucks, then look on my laptop screen and be like holy **** look at all the detail.
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Find me the same setup with intel parts for $470 shipped (that's the $420 I could get this for plus the extra $50).
Fine. An extra $120.15, including shipping:





Personally, I feel that not being frustrated is worth $120.15.




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At least until 3 years down the line and the crappy chinese capacitors in the biostar MB burst.
That's just the thing. This isn't the "JD Power Award for Initial Quality," is the "JD Power Award for Not Being an Unreliable Piece of **** in the Long Term."


Remember the recent thread in which I was talking about how I added a 4TB hard drive to my media server PC, which is running an Intel motherboard and CPU which have been powered up and running reliably for *ten years*, and which is now running Win7 just fine because Intel doesn't use shitty integrated peripherals from fly-by-nite manufacturers for which driver support vanishes six months after you buy them?
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Old 11-12-2013, 12:21 PM   #268
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That 8 core processor will be a huge upgrade from your core 2 duo, even the fx 6300 and 6350 run great. Sure they can't compare to the high end intel cpu's but they're no slouch. You will probably do fine with that motherboard, I have owned 2 biostar motherboards in the past. One with an amd athlon 2100+ back in the day and another with an athlon 64 that still works to this day.
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i have a very similar parts list, but a different cpu and MB.

the one you chose doesn't have usb 3.0 or 6gb/sec sata.

i was looking at this: MSI H77MA-G43 LGA 1155 Intel H77 SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 Micro ATX Intel Motherboard with UEFI BIOS - Newegg.com




I'm pretty sure I had a biostar MB back in the day when I had an AMD chip back in 2000. That was the last PC I built, when AMDs were much better than the pentium chips.
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Why is usb 3.0 such a big deal to you? I still only have 1 usb 3.0 component and its my external hard drive. And IMO 3.0 doesnt seem any faster in the real world.
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I've had 2 seagate HD's die on me in under 3 years. 3 WD HD's are still going currently.

Take that how you will.

I'm not a fan of loosing data.




JoeP preaches high quality parts, but adds the Seagate drive(add whatever fancy fish name you want to it, it's still a low end drive). Tisk Tisk.
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This whole Intel is WAYYYY better than AMD horseshit has got to stop.

Right now. Stop it.

This is a comparison of high end processors.
I would expect middle of the road, and other "versions" of these processors to be alike.

Even if there is a difference the margin is SOOOO small you'll never tell a difference.
Quit trying to make him spend his money on things he doesn't NEED.
In my over 10 year existence of building computers have never had issues with AMD/ATI chipsets and drivers.
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Old 11-12-2013, 02:14 PM   #273
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the one you chose doesn't have usb 3.0 or 6gb/sec sata.
Don't get hung up on trivia. Neither one is really relevant right now. If they ever become relevant, it'll be extremely simple and inexpensive to add them via PCIe later on.

Here's 2x USB3 for $10: Newegg.com - PCI-E Express to 2-Port USB 3.0 Controller Card Adapter Hub 5Gbps

And here's 2x SATA-III for $25: SYBA SY-PEX40039 Controller Card - Newegg.com

It'll be a while before you need either one, by which point these cards will be in the bargain bin at the local 7-11 along with old Kenny Loggins cassettes.



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JoeP preaches high quality parts, but adds the Seagate drive(add whatever fancy fish name you want to it, it's still a low end drive). Tisk Tisk.
Right now, I've got about a half-dozen hard drives in regular service spread across several machines. A couple of Hitachis, one WD Green, two Seagates (can't remember which fish), and maybe aother WD somewhere?

Of these, only the newest (the 4TB Seagate) is less than about 3-4 years old, and all are in mostly continuous service.

For any hard drive manufacturer, it's possible to point to some specific generation of some specific model and say "look, these drives were pieces of ****, therefore I'll never buy from X manufacturer." Does anybody remember the IBM Deathstar? And yet aside from the 75GXP, IBM/HGST have some of the highest ratings on the planet for consumer-grade HD reliability.

Same goes for WD, Seagate, Connor, Maxtor, Control Data, Burroughs, pretty much any company that has ever manufactured a hard drive. You simply can't take past performance as an indicator of future reliability.

The last time I hard an actual hard-drive failure was around 2009, and it was a 1.8" Toshiba drive in my old Vaio laptop. which lived a rough life. Prior to that, I literally cannot remember the last time I lost data in a hard drive failure. It was sometime in the 90s.



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This whole Intel is WAYYYY better than AMD horseshit has got to stop.
Actually, I don't care one whit about AMD vs. Intel CPUs. I care about the motherboard. If Intel manufactured a motherboard that would accept an AMD CPU, I'd be fine with that. Heck, if AMD themselves manufactured a motherboard for their own CPUs, I'm sure it would probably be fine, too.

What's not fine are poorly-designed motherboards made with cheap components by third-party manufacturers that suffer from poor driver support, glitchy BIOSes, less-than-optimal design in terms of power regulation and trace routing for high-speed lines, and will probably suffer minor, trivial component failures which take them completely out of service in less than 10 years.
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Joe I appreciate your comments and guidance, but the Jew in me pretty much has my mind set. Found if I order on their mobile site, I can get an extra 5% off. After adding in another stick of RAM I'll be at $462 shipped after rebates; That's incredible costerformance and I'm pretty sure I'll be happy with it.

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Joe I appreciate your comments and guidance, but the Jew in me pretty much as my mind set. Found if I order on their mobile site, I can get an extra 5% off. After adding in another stick of RAM I'll be at $462 shipped after rebates; That's incredible costerformance and I'm pretty sure I'll be happy with it.
Grab a 120-250gb ssd during the holiday sales and you won't be disappointed. Best thing I ever bought for my pc.
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yeah that will be phase 2 for sure. It wasn't a necessity for me as the program I use dont really benefit from it (CS6), but one thing I hate now is that if I have to restart my computer it takes about 10 minutes to load fully and be able to open FF, and running Photoshop takes maybe 1-2minutes to load. It would be nice to cut that down 10000000000%.
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Joe I appreciate your comments and guidance, but the Jew in me pretty much has my mind set.
Aaight.
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of course the 5% coupon code is only taking off $3.50. On chat with the newegg.com staff and they aren't very smart. first they said it's not a code, but and now they want the order number of the order i have yet to place.

looks like it's only working on the extra stick of RAM is why. going to boo-hoo and see if i can get a full extra 5% off.
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whatever. not worth my time. ordered.
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whatever. not worth my time. ordered.
Enjoy the build, maybe I'm strange but that's my favorite part. I'll be taking the stock HSF combo off my radeon hd7970 this week to put on an all in one water cooler just for the fun of it, then I'll probably overclock it just to see what it can do.
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