Someone please put this in their sig, mine is full atm

 

I'd avoided CR for a long time but have been back in the last few months and was surprised how it's changed.
98% of it used to be crap on how guys ruined their cars beyond the point of driveability and fellow retards responding with how "SICK" and awesome those cars looked, but there were always a few gems, anything posted by revlimiter, MSMjohn's awesome write-ups, and there's a guy who calls himself aidandj who seems to know his stuff.
It seems that the younger "retard crew" have moved onto the F-witsbook MX-5 forum, leaving CR a "better place".

 

Wow I'm glad to hear that I'm not the only one that has a sick compulsion to constantly do this! I've been able to resist replacing our daily cars but still ended up picking up another 3 Miatas in the last 8 months.

 

I'm going to go test drive an Abarth tomorrow and see what kind of trade-in I could get for the '16. One dealer offered me 18k. This car is a rock sinking to the bottom of the ocean of depreciation.

 

Complains about resale of current Miata

Considers purchasing same car rebadged with ugly body and Fiat branding, cuz that's somehow better

Aright now you're on your own.

 

I said a few pages back that I wanted a turbo Miata. Well, the Fiata is a turbo miata and it has a proven transmission behind it, unlike the ND. Emilio said to not even bother with turboing the ND unless I had a transmission solution.

I won't buy an Abarth, it has a bunch of stuff I don't want. I would buy a base Classica with the Technology package. This all hinges on getting an acceptable trade-in from a dealer, which 99% likely won't happen, so this is just a way to entertain myself on my days off. Don't worry so much.

I will most likely have to suck it up, take the huge hit on the ND, and turbo my 01. I have the time to check out all options, so why not?

 

Be sure to turn Sport mode on. Little rocker switch behind shifter. Boost rises quicker and raises steering effort. I understand reflashes are available already. I don't care for the looks but the OEM Abarth suspension and steering are what the ND Club should have been.

 

I would have ditched the BRZ awhile ago, but it has depreciated insanely. And thanks to driving a bit too quickly on a back road (that I know very well), came through the corner, exit is literally a sand pit (blind 190° corner), into ze ditch. So now that is has that on the CarFax (unless the ins or body shop didn't turn it in) I'm basically married to the car until it's nearly paid off or I take a huge hit. And yes, I know this is totally my fault before all the sanctimonious BS starts.

I may start parking it on the street and leaving the spare key fob in it so someone can steal it.

I should have sunk the money into the NC when I had it. It needed a top and to have a competent shop install a quality top around here was $1900 and the BOSE headunit was failing.

 

Thanks for the Sport mode tip. I drove it. I was not impressed. It has great mid-range, but completely dies after 5k. The transmission also seemed to have a lot longer throws than my ND. 5th also didn't cooperate a few times. I definitely noticed the difference in the steering. The wheel is different too and felt better in the hand. I had read that the Recaro seats sat you higher in the car, but I didn't notice that. My head was the same 1/2" away from the roof as in my ND.

I couldn't get the numbers to work for a red Classica with the Technology package, so I walked. I am still interested to see actual dyno results from reflashes, because this thing has boost delivery issues just like my old MSM.

 

Fiata has NC trans and diff IIRC

 

The Fiat has the NC transmission, but the rear diff housing is the same as the ND. It is a 3.4 ratio. The transmission ratios are also different then either the Europe or US NC transmission ratios. I started a topic on m.net that shows all that.

 

I rented a Fiata for a week in Italy. Good car for the roads around Milan. Point and shoot for that gap. Just don't ask it to rev.

 

Well, now one of the few guys with a turbo ND (Itozann on m.net) has blown up the "fixed" transmission. This was on the AVO turbo kit. No idea of the power level.

 

Thus why we have not installed our AVO kit. That's bad news if its the gen 2 box as that's currently the strongest overall. The GCC box we have now is a gen 1 with EMCO 3-4 only.

 

So Emilio, based on your posts it seems that you believe it's an actual design flaw rather than a defect in certain transmissions, is that correct?

Apologies if that has been explicitly stated elsewhere.

If that's the case, that's really pathetic of Mazda. Sell a car with 155hp... and then make it so the parts can't even handle that. Wow.

 

This was Mazda's first RWD Skyactiv transmission, I believe. It doesn't excuse the tremendous weakness, but that should explain some of it.

Itozann's tranmission is indeed the "gen 2", so

 

I don't actually know the truth in this case. I have heard conflicting information from Mazda insiders. Standing up to turbo power is obviously outside the scope of any part on an N/A car designed to be as light and cheap to manufacture as possible.
I have not heard of anyone with a stock or reflash/exhaust tuned power that has broken a gen 2 box. Based on what we know now, we can reasonably postulate that N/A trans woes might be fixed but still not enough for boost.

Our plan for our car is a severely torque limited map in 1-2 and 5-6, letting the kittens run free in 3-4 EMCO gears.

 

Someone with no mechanical empathy can easily trash a clutch, transmission or diff at any power level. Don't attribute to malice that which can be explained by incompetence.

 

Lol

This is obviously well beyond an issue of mechanical empathy.

 

Feeding nearly double the stock torque through the ND box constitutes lack of mechanical empathy.

We car geeks were weened on decades of under engineered, over built, heavy OEM parts that survive 2-3x the OEM power. A deftly engineered, ultra light platform like the ND shows up, we all praise its amazingness but hate on Mazda because they pared down it's mass and drag just a wee bit too much. I could be wrong but I suspect the gen2 box will survive the tuned N/A autocross and HPDE cars just fine. That it doesn't cope with hard use at 2x stock torque isn't Mazda's fault. We asked for an ultra light Miata with a bit more power and room than an NB. We got it.

That all said, we will be investigating transmission swaps so we can take advantage of the AVO's torque in every gear, not just 3-4.