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Old 07-19-2012, 02:16 PM   #341
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or just wait til 2020, they will probably have a better version out then.
or 2050
or...
or wait a couple of months for the buzz to die down and save the addendum money you're surely going to have to shell out.

rule of thumb: never buy the first of anything, wait at least a year. think of all the dudes who bought 2004 STis.
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will it be turbocharged and AWD like a real subaru by then?
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Probably not. They'll convert it to FWD rotary
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Old 07-19-2012, 02:31 PM   #344
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when they partner with mazda?
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after Toyota brings back to MKIV Supra, as it was.
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will it be turbocharged and AWD like a real subaru by then?
Then I'd buy it, trading the Hyundai for pennies.
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Old 07-19-2012, 03:56 PM   #347
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or wait a couple of months for the buzz to die down and save the addendum money you're surely going to have to shell out.

rule of thumb: never buy the first of anything, wait at least a year. think of all the dudes who bought 2004 STis.
A) Plenty of places selling these for MSRP. I suppose you might be able to buy for closer to invoice in a year, but there's no guarantee. Even assuming that was true, is that savings worth waiting 12 months?

B) What huge upgrade came in 2005 over the 2004 STi?
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A) Plenty of places selling these for MSRP. I suppose you might be able to buy for closer to invoice in a year, but there's no guarantee. Even assuming that was true, is that savings worth waiting 12 months?

B) What huge upgrade came in 2005 over the 2004 STi?
a. I called a Subaru dealership in Miami and they wanted a $5,000 market adjustment fee even though I said I was paying cash. Subaru of New Port Richey, Mastro Subaru in Tampa and Reeves Subaru all had dealer fees too.

b. lug pattern being the biggest "improvement"
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B) What huge upgrade came in 2005 over the 2004 STi?
1. Switch from 5x100 to 5x114 which included much better bearings. Wheel selection for 5x114 is much, much better than 5x100. Longevity of bearings was much improved.

2. Some minor changes to the powersteering rack including how it mounts. Apparently better steering feel, better longevity of steering mount bushings, etc. etc.

3. Apparently some minor engine tuning changes that made driveability better, and stock tune is generally safer?

Biggest is #1 even though it might not seem like a big deal.
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They need to put the IS-F engine in the damn thing. Fail.
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I went out for a drive today and got the oil temps rising up.

Motor pulled timing and Throttle plate. Good job factory ems.
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Old 07-19-2012, 04:50 PM   #352
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please tell me you're going to get loaded and void your warranty soon
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please tell me you're going to get loaded and void your warranty soon
If I could I would but I can't. Only mods are intake header exhaust. I'm guessing reflash would probably net like 40hp tops.
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how about modding your hood for ram air? velocity holes in the back bumper?
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b. lug pattern being the biggest "improvement"
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1. Switch from 5x100 to 5x114 which included much better bearings. Wheel selection for 5x114 is much, much better than 5x100. Longevity of bearings was much improved.

2. Some minor changes to the powersteering rack including how it mounts. Apparently better steering feel, better longevity of steering mount bushings, etc. etc.

3. Apparently some minor engine tuning changes that made driveability better, and stock tune is generally safer?

Biggest is #1 even though it might not seem like a big deal.
also
radio/speakers standard
also better synchros in the trans
slightly different spring rates and shocks
but thats really about it.

and I don't know what you're talking about the tune

if anything I think the 07 got the most improvements: better gearing, better head parts, different ecu, top feed injectors, improved hotside, etc.
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If I could I would but I can't. Only mods are intake header exhaust. I'm guessing reflash would probably net like 40hp tops.
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how about modding your hood for ram air? velocity holes in the back bumper?
Add lightening to frame rails?
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Picasso had a brush, Faeflora has a Sawzall.
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and I don't know what you're talking about the tune
I read it on the internetz once, so it must be true?

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...they wanted a $5,000 market adjustment fee ...all had dealer fees too.
Dealer called me. They don't have any in stock, and wanted me to put down a deposit for them to get one up here to test drive. WTF??

I want to test drive to see if I like it. I'm not gonna buy one sight unseen, you nimrod. Used those exact words (minus the nimrod part), and he put me on hold for a sec. Manager came on the line to try to talk me into some sort of payment, or promise to go to stealership and make one.

I hung up on them. They did not call back. This economy and they think that 25 grand is an impulse purchase?

Going to contact the Toyota place tomorrow.
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