Isn't the other line also missing the CNC head with +2 intake valves, etc?

--Ian

Don't get your hopes up. The kit would require some sort of injector upgrade or it'd end up power limited like FM's Stage 1 or require some fuel pressure tricks. More importantly, it'd still need an ECU. FM's CARB Kit relies on a piggyback unit to preserve OBD functionality and keeps the MAF sensor, and a full-standalone is never legal in California.
I'm getting off topic and speculating, but even FM recently stopped offering standalone units either due to 1) declining sales or 2) legal issues. I doubt Savington or anyone besides FM could justify the expense and time to make an NA/NB kit + engine management to be CARB legal. And FM already has the market cornered. If you need it to be street legal, your best bet is SB-100 and go Exocet or some gray area shenanigans (smog hookup or non-smog county).

Back on topic, congrats to 949 and Savington for that ridiculous dyno plot. Please bring this to MRLS and give us all rides. :party:

Piping + heat shields + intake? NA8 application. Please, pretty please?

Looking for one-stop shop for turbo package, not FM (this time around). Bonus points for no cutting of engine bay or drilling of holes for intercooler plumbing...

-Matt

I am fine cutting holes if it leads to better performance and routing.

I ordered my TSE kit with the 6258 today. Along with it, I'm getting the TSE MS3, DW200 fuel pump, flow force 640cc injectors, and their 16 row oil cooler kit. Very excited to get my car back on track with all these new goodies.

The dyno plot from above, in action.

Looking at the track record lap times, is that faster than the Huracan Performante and a GTR Nismo? Or you ran a different configuration?

That car is insane.

It certainly is - NVH is off the charts. Would not daily.

Yes.

Second fastest production based car ever, from what we can find.
Only an Unlimited AWD GTR has gone faster, Lyfe Motorsports.

WHAT. That seq is awesome too btw.

One of the side effects of popularity and success is scarcity. Sales have been roughly ~2x what we expected them to be this spring, which I am hugely grateful for. If you are waiting on a kit, I am expecting everything to ship by June 20th. You may see some of your parts before that date, so as always, keep an eye on your online account for tracking number updates.

I recently picked up one of your kits and have a question. Would there be any negatives if I get your turbo manifold extrude honed? There are some casting blemishes on the inside of mine that id like to clean up.

Shouldn't be any issues, no.

Those of you waiting for upper DPs, they're shipping this week.

Is TSE still planning on releasing an intercooler kit with piping?

e: should add I've been holding off on my order in anticipation of the full intercooler piping kit.

Yes. Still in the works, still making slow but steady progress.

I would stop holding off, though - the price for the entire kit is going to jump when the IC pipes are added. You will save money by buying a kit + IC now, and the pipes will be made available to DIY customers at a discount when they're ready.

Small tweak to our EFR stud kits. Without a good slathering of Resbond, we have seen studs occasionally come loose from the manifold and wind their way out, even though the Stage 8 nut stays in place. The long-threaded portion was long enough for the stud to back completely off, which resulted in the loss of the entire stud and nut.

Moving forward, all the kits will get our new V2 studs, which have a much larger center shank. This shank will stop the stud from fully backing out should it come loose from the manifold.

V1 on the left, V2 on the right

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Coincidentally I caught mine just last friday night during a quick check up before a early morning back road drive. Two studs had backed out; one was literally hanging by a thread. must have not used enough Resbond! glad to hear I'm not the only one though.

Coat all of the threads completely, not just a single line like you would normally use. I also do the nuts as well. There's plenty of Resbond included with the kit to do all of them without running out

Right! thanks for the advice. Gave them a good slather this go around. Will keep an eye on it.

I am seconds away from ordering this kit. This was a lot to read thru, but well worth it. I have a brand new fm2 kit minus turbo and may pull the plug, start over. Any specific suggestions as I have a fully built 95 block, big valved and cammed bp4w head skunk2 intake manifold in a 901 chasis any 93octane everywhere. running a MSPNP2 no vvt. Feel free to pm Sav as my CC is on standby. power goals are the best power curve while staying under 350whp. I am pretty sure I want 6258 not sure about waste gate and if I need to get rid of my intercooler.

I made 309hp on my 6258 at 17psi. With spool that's better than a gt2560r on FM manifold.

greg made over 400hp with a 6258 and e85 at 23psi I believe, so this turbo is plenty big for most setups. No need to go with a 6758 unless going for over 400hp.

You want the medium spring for 15-18ish psi setup.

6258 for that power goal. At 400whp I shift to the 6758.

Spool difference is minimal between the two, maybe 200rpm between them at most. It's more of a feel thing. The 6258 feels totally smooth and linear, the 6758 "hits" a tiny bit harder. The 67 is still buttery smooth when compared to any GT28 Garrett, though.

In stock?

I'd suggest contacting him directly by phone or email:)

Every time I called he doesnt answer :'(
p.s. I"ll be calling you next for your diff.

Email please

6-8 Week back log for manifolds. damn

Not that unusual. It takes probably 1 to 6 weeks for the foundry to cast the manifolds. Then another 1 to 4 weeks for the machine shop to do all the machine work. I am assuming that Savington is getting 15-25 at a time. More then that and it becomes really expensive to put money up front. It can also be hard to predict order rates. What might seem like a good amount may turn out to be not enough, and over ordering can be just as bad.

The downside of being a small business and catering to a niche market is that there can be a ton of things completely out of your control. Especially when it comes getting things made, quickly, and not in humongous quantities.

Yea I get it. I have managed several automotive businesses from small to large. It just sucks because this is the set up I want but time has limited me. My builder has a 2 year back log and my car is up and than my turbo set up isnt gonna work.

Do we have a rough ETA for the IC piping kit? It seems to have been promised since 2016 lol. I ask this as I live in Australia and do not wish to pay additional shipping fees for IC pipes later down the road.
Also, what is the ordering process? I can't seem to find a link to the entire kit inclusive of the intercooler itself.

This one only includes the manifold, downpipe, inconel hardware and hardlines.
Trackspeed EFR Turbocharger System

I really don't know how Andrew is going to be able to come up with a single-solution intercooler plumbing kit given that there are so many configuration options.
eg.
Do you have A/C?
Do you have P/S?
What intercooler do you have and where are its barbs? (obviously this will work with the TSE intercooler but you can't assume the same position with other intercoolers).
Do you want to route the hotside plumbing down or over the top like the MSM? (over the top will compromise cool-air intake since the pipe will radiate heat)
How much room to you have around the TB? (You may need a different radiator hose)
Will the radiator hoses dictate routing?
What TB do you have? (OEM or Skunk2 - they differ in size).
Do you have front brake ducting? (takes up space that the pipes may need)
What size is your sway bar (it's surprising how much more space is available with a Racing Beat 1.125" sway bar vs the 1.25" bar)

Intercooler plumbing is best done based on YOUR configuration and it's not hard.

Just buy a few 2" and 2.5" aluminium pipes with the bends you'll need, silicone hoses with the bends you need, and mock them up.
Once you're happy with them, if they require too many hose clamps for you, get some equivalent aluminium bends to the silicone bends and get someone to weld them.

For my hot-side, I had enough aluminium pipe to copy the aluminium+silicone hose hot-side I mocked up so took both to a welder and he used my original as the template.

https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mia...8b11d7d196.jpg
I eliminated my P/S which permits routing the plumbing under the car but still have A/C so needed the 135* silicone coupler to the turbo to clear the A/C ports.


https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mia...f3b37275fa.jpg
I didn't like that extra silicone hose in the middle since it requires 2 clamps in a tight space so I took some extra pipes to a welder and he made the 2nd one for me. I shortened and re-beaded the ends, that I CAN do, and it only cost me A$100 for the welding.

Plenty of clearance everywhere (after routing the lower radiator hose behind and under the A/C compressor - this required modifying the water inlet so that the barb angles downward 45*):
https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mia...36c9831d2d.jpg


https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mia...2a6f8b3d86.jpg
I needed to bend the A/C's hardline outward so that the A/C hose cleared the intercooler pipe.

https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mia...8504c4384a.jpg


For the coldside, I started with a 2.75"-2.5" reducing elbow (I have a Skunk2 TB), 2.5" aluminium J-pipe (BOV barb welded onto it), 45* silicone elbow, 30* aluminium elbow and connecting 2.5" hose.
This required way too many clamps so I bought the FM cold-side silicone hose and cut it to size and now only have 2 silicone hoses on it (to intercooler and to TB):

https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mia...a90f79a6f2.jpg
I call this "The Cobra!"

Here's the original multi-silicone hose version installed (forgot to take pictures of the updated version):
https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mia...1d4e54d473.jpg

https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mia...be08d9467c.jpg

I wouldn't consider it THAT hard assuming the following. TSE guarantees IC piping will fit with their specific set-up. You'll have to use their intercooler obviously. Since you're using their turbo (6258/6758),manifold, and intercooler, the entire hot side will be the same no matter what. The kit could be made assuming the car is completely stock and any deviations would require the purchaser to improvise. The main issue would be (imo), is this profitable enough.

^
With P/S and A/C and the lower radiator hose in the way, there's very little room for routing the hot-side straight down - I doubt that any vendor would produce this type of kit since everything is so tight and would create rubbing in multiple places that they would not want to be liable for.
This means that the routing would need to be over the top.
In an NB, there is room for this, MSM-style, but you're compromising intake temperatures and placement of the air filter.
In an NA I don't think there's much room at all for this.

If it "wasn't THAT hard", it would exist already!

FM makes complete intercooler and piping kits that route down, and work for all year miatas and ps and ac compatible.

So not sure what you mean there

^
Good point - would be interesting to hear from owners if the FM silicone hose hot-side has any fitment issues because it's REALLY tight with everything installed.

The FM manifold+turbo is closer to the block so can be clocked straight down.
The TSE manifold+EFR6258 hangs the turbo slightly over the shelf so cannot be clocked straight down (needs an elbow joiner vs straight joiner) required more routing real-estate+creativity.

Pipes are configured for AC/PS*, so they'll fit with/without those

Pipes will fit with the intercooler that it comes with, if you have another intercooler I suggest selling it or feeding it to your cat or something

k, one coupler that is 2.5 or 2.75

Tough shit, move your brake ducting

Rest assured that Mazda's tolerance stacking is not good enough for me to build an IC pipe kit that fits so tightly to the sway bar that a 0.125" size difference will change things

* = initial pipes may not be 100% PS compatible but it can be done with a little legwork

Final fitment samples were sent to the MFG last week, so I should have an ETA for IC pipes very shortly.

Also, searching through Lokiels posts reveals that AC in RHD NBs is in the way of the EFR downpipe. This leaves me high and dry atm.

Unfortunately RHD cars have the A/C plumbed on the hot-side so the cannister needs to be relocated and the large hose from the A/C to the firewall needs to be re-routed:
https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mia...c8e08927a4.jpg

https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mia...3ceffe69e7.jpg

Our "ABS octopus" is on the hot-side too so the hard-line in the shelf corner needs to be bent away from the downpipe which can be done by hand.

I still haven't hooked up the A/C plumbing but it should be simple for A/C specialists to redo the A/C plumbing kiezon, it's just a matter of them making a couple of new hardpipes for the new cannister position and making/routing a new hose from the A/C compressor to the firewall (will need to be heat-shielded).
Officially you need a registered A/C specialist to refill your gas anyway in Australia so you may as well get them to fit the new A/C lines.
I have a few other things I want to sort out before doing the A/C lines but don't think it will be a show stopper and cause me to rip out the A/C altogether - I REALLY need it in QLD!

If you'd prefer Savington, I can create a RHD TSE install thread here to cover these "RHD gotchas" and not mess up this thread, then moderators can delete my posts and refer RHDers to the new thread for specific information.

Any updates on the manifold’s arrival?

Quick question, are you using a gasket between engine and manifold?

Ive searched but only saw people mentioning not using one between manifold and turbo.

OEM gasket between engine and manifold.

This. OEM gasket between the head and manifold, no gasket between manifold/turbo or turbo/downpipe.

Thanks, almost done. Intercooler and oil cooler to go. Instructions were great. Great kit you put together. Feels better than Subaru oem in all regards.

What's happened to the 350hp Precision Core intercooler you guys had on the website? Are these no longer available?

NLA, probably for good. The only way they would come back is as part of a full race intercooler kit, and that would be sold through our dealers exclusively.

How unfortunate. Would you consider a one-off order in the near future?

Would you consider paying a few thousand dollars for it? Everything is for sale at the right price. If you're serious and OK with paying one-off prices for one-off parts, then feel free to email me.

Updates?
 

Are there any updates on the status of kits? I placed my order over a year ago and still have not received everything

Amazing. Did you pay in full? Or just a large deposit to the pit of despair?

I inquired 6-8 months ago and was told to send a deposit for kits coming in the “upcoming months”. Again, eff that. I got another kit and have been running for months now.

Purchased the kit in full 4/11/19, no reply until July when he said he would ship turbo, dp, studs, etc "next week". Never received these, didnt get another response until august, then no response until October. Received turbo in October, and after a response every other month I received the manifold and turbo studs on April 13th...Still no downpipe or oil and coolant lines. I was hoping to have it by late fall of last year so I could be tracking my car with it this year.

bwahaha. You are living the nightmare I imagined last year when I was shopping.

Send that ish back and ask for a fuken refund. If no reply for two weeks, call an attorney.

Sounds like when they built my motor. I think I heard, It'll ship in 2 weeks for like 4 months in a row.

I am also in the same boat, ordered my kit in August of 2019. Got my turbo in October of 2019, I believe that was drop shipped from BorgWarner. Got my manifold and studs on April 13th, which will work, but casting leaves a bit to be desired, flange that goes on the motor has hardly any material. Not a huge issue I will still use it, however for the price I paid for the kit, I am pretty dissapointed. I have definitely heard the "it will be shipping in a few weeks" a lot. I have been very polite in emails and I understand that a small company like his has manufacturing issues, but the lack of communication is frustrating. Wanted to get the car done over winter so I could drive it during the summer. Still waiting for my downpipe, oil and water lines. Super pumped to get the kit, but not the buyers experience I was looking for when I bought the kit. I was assuming I would have it by Christmas at the latest. It will get here someday so I am not super worried, just slightly annoyed, was not sure if other people were also having the same issues, but I guess people are. As a question all around, would you have pictures of your manifold?

https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mia...b2fce6eaff.jpg
https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mia...f89f09f8e6.jpg
https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mia...2aa00896ed.jpg
https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mia...cec232b017.jpg
https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mia...4e51077e9d.jpg

Not an amazing picture, but August 2018.
https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mia...41a19e6c93.jpg

I would say that I can clean up some of the casting in the runners with a dremel, just not sure if I should worry about the flange holes or not, they seem kinda thin. I just want to hear turbo sounds and have a faster car lol.