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concealer404 05-07-2020 04:20 PM

Big no.

boileralum 05-07-2020 04:40 PM

Es is basura en fuego.

I have real concerns about that crack opening up. Send that garbage back.

msmola2002 05-07-2020 05:27 PM

We have an expression for that in Australia

"Sea-hunt's fucked"

matrussell122 05-07-2020 05:31 PM

Why anyone would buy a TSE kit anymore is beyond me. Long lead time and shitty service.

boileralum 05-07-2020 05:33 PM


Originally Posted by matrussell122 (Post 1570017)
Why anyone would buy a TSE kit anymore is beyond me. Long lead time and shitty service.

to be fair, it's not like this abomination was ordered last week

matrussell122 05-07-2020 05:42 PM

I wouldnt have ordered one a year ago either. Why the F would i wait a year for a turbo kit.

willieboy97 05-07-2020 06:44 PM

At the time when I ordered the kit, I was expecting it to ship in 8 weeks which I was fine with, but looking back I probably would've went a different direction. I'm giving him the benefit of the doubt that he didn't see the manifold in person, but he hasn't gotten back with me with the email I sent him when I got it with these same pictures.

dan91 05-07-2020 08:42 PM

I ordered in September, so far I've received just the turbo, no manifold. I'm trying to be patient, and currently debating whether to have the exhaust turbine housing ceramic coated. I can't return it if I do.

IcantDo55 05-07-2020 10:06 PM

Mine back on wheels today. Maybe it start this yea don't know.

Savington 05-07-2020 10:13 PM

I would like that manifold back, please. I will find your email and reply.

Savington 05-07-2020 10:20 PM


Originally Posted by matrussell122 (Post 1570017)
Why anyone would buy a TSE kit anymore is beyond me. Long lead time and shitty service.

As a more general reply. nobody can actually buy a TSE kit from me right now. I've turned down several orders in the last couple of months. The foundry that provided the part you're looking at here has been a fucking nightmare to work with, and until I can rectify the issues, I'm not taking any further orders. I am committed to delivering on the orders I've placed, but it's hard to put a timeline on that (hence no new orders).

willieboy97 06-05-2020 02:40 PM

Any updates, I am getting thoroughly upset with the lack of communication. I have sent multiple emails that have been unanswered, and it's been about a month. I don't like venting on a forum, but quite frankly this is ridiculous.

matrussell122 06-05-2020 02:47 PM

Dude just cancel your order

willieboy97 06-05-2020 02:49 PM

I can't if I don't get a response, and PayPal is past the 6 months, so they can't do anything either. I just see that Andrew is active on the forum frequently, so if he isn't checking his emails, hopefully he will see this.

willieboy97 06-05-2020 03:25 PM

And to be fair I will say Andrew got back with me immediately after posting pictures of the manifold. He asked if I would like a refund or if I would rather keep the manifold and get a new one at a later date... I chose to try and keep the manifold and get the rest of the parts, however he hasn't responded to my email back to him with my answer or the others I have sent since then. I can run the manifold, but I still don't have the downpipe or oil/water lines, and have yet to get an answer on when I can be expecting them. As a customer it is very frustrating to order parts with an estimated 6 week shipping time and not having everything 10 months later.

Savington 06-06-2020 01:21 AM

I checked email a few days ago, if it's been a month I missed it. I will find it and reply tonight.

dan91 08-04-2020 10:34 AM

Andrew, is there a better way to reach you than info@trackspeedengineering.com? I have several emails over the past month without response.

Chiburbian 08-04-2020 11:47 AM

This is saddening news... I had planned on going with this kit. I hope the issues with the supply line are fixed and they can go back into production. Good luck Andrew, and to everyone else I am sorry that you are all dealing with this.

Stock 08-04-2020 01:37 PM

Kraken.

matrussell122 08-04-2020 01:39 PM

MK turbo

But dan91 kinda got effed because it took so long. Would be hard to dispute the transaction this long after.

XeNoMoRpH 08-04-2020 02:13 PM

I forgot Andrew was active on this site as emailing has not been successful. I went with TSE because past experiences had always been great. This turbo kit hasn't been ideal. Ordered in August 2019 and I have a turbo and a manifold. In regards to the manifold, it appears to lack quality. The two middle runners have cracks (or a lack of material) on both sides, the outside runners also have cracks. I figured it could be cleaned up, but am disappointed that it is even something that has to be done. The exterior is really rough as well.

https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mia...07a49aa76e.jpg
https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mia...3d59bd573b.jpg

icantlearn 08-04-2020 03:45 PM

damn. Thats not pretty.

Spaceman Spiff 08-05-2020 12:18 PM

I mean it's a sand cast part, I don't think its really fair to have any expectations in terms of final outward surface finish, you're always free to sand&polish it. If it works it works. That said, the crack in the middle runner and the one just above the t25 flange (if I'm seeing it correctly) should have made it wall art, not a product sent to a customer. If there are voids visible, there are probably some you can't see without a radiograph/CT scan.

sacmiata 08-06-2020 03:08 PM


Originally Posted by Spaceman Spiff (Post 1578051)
I mean it's a sand cast part, I don't think its really fair to have any expectations in terms of final outward surface finish

From the TSE website they set the expectations by having pictures and descriptions. Even TSE has acknowledged the problem and trying to remedy it.
"Shell mold casting process ensures excellent dimensional accuracy and surface finish"


skylinecalvin 08-06-2020 05:17 PM

With all the complaints that I've read, i'm surprised anybody still wants to buy TSE's kit.

Spaceman Spiff 08-06-2020 05:20 PM


Originally Posted by sacmiata (Post 1578164)
From the TSE website they set the expectations by having pictures and descriptions. Even TSE has acknowledged the problem and trying to remedy it.
"Shell mold casting process ensures excellent dimensional accuracy and surface finish"

I stand corrected, Between the surface finish and the shrinkage tear on the inner runner that's certainly nowhere near a perfect casting.

Midtenn 08-06-2020 05:55 PM


Originally Posted by skylinecalvin (Post 1578188)
With all the complaints that I've read, i'm surprised anybody still wants to buy TSE's kit.

Define "kit"? I think at this point its down to manifold and DP. Neither of which have stellar quality marks on the form for fit and finish. I've worked with castings in a limited capacity in the past. If you're not on top of your QC, many will let things slide out the door in the name of dollars and blame the "the process"

skylinecalvin 08-06-2020 09:39 PM

I figure a manifold + DP + turbo (no longer offered?) is enough to be considered a kit. Either way, I've read enough to steer clear. At TSE's price point, it's not really competitive either.

XeNoMoRpH 08-07-2020 12:06 PM

I went with TSE because (somewhere) said it was the best and I figured I would splurge a bit because reasons. I've been eyeing the EFR for a long while, so that sort of set things in motion. I figured I would have it all installed December 2019.

I concede that at the current price point, the quality is no where near the expectation. However, my biggest complaint is the lack of communication. There was a bulk email originally telling customers the state of things consistently enough. Nothing since January, so I started worrying maybe something happened to Andrew. That doesn't seem to be the case, so I'm at a loss with how to move forward. I had hope this thread would highlight this particular issue more and warrant a direct response. I can post pictures of the multiple cracks in the runners, but seems like it is beating a dead horse at the point?

matrussell122 08-07-2020 12:18 PM

Post up pictures anyway that way there is more evidence.

c3hutson 08-08-2020 07:43 PM

throw that shit in the garbage and buy a manifold from kraken. At the very least he'll answer emails/facebook chat :)

dan91 08-12-2020 12:20 PM

Update from my end. I was contacted and will be getting a refund. It's too bad, Trackspeed had a lot of cool stuff

yuba 09-12-2020 02:21 PM

I have a kind of dumb question, I bought an ex-S1 car this week and I'm starting to go through it a bit.

There is Stage8 locking hardware on all of the turbo to manifold studs, but one of the studs is loose. Is this normal for these kits and will close up under heat?

dleavitt 09-12-2020 02:51 PM


Originally Posted by yuba (Post 1581121)
I have a kind of dumb question, I bought an ex-S1 car this week and I'm starting to go through it a bit.

There is Stage8 locking hardware on all of the turbo to manifold studs, but one of the studs is loose. Is this normal for these kits and will close up under heat?

Nope. Source: had one stud back out on the front straight of PIR this summer.

Time to redo the Resbond.

catalyst 09-12-2020 03:07 PM

These bolts get checked after every session i do and weekly when i'm driving on the street. I actually lost an entire stud while the locking hardware was still intact. Savington was nice enough to replace it. I've had to redo the resbond on the manifold 3 times now. it usually holds for about 12 months in my experience so far. There is at least one guy on ebay selling little bottles for pretty cheap.

yuba 09-12-2020 03:09 PM

Thank you both for the heads up, I just ordered from the dude on eBay you mentioned.

yuba 09-13-2020 05:04 PM

Sorry for double posting - I went out to double check and it seems like the studs weren't loose, just the nuts. Turns out my car still has the M8x1.25 studs in it, so I ordered a Stage8 #3950 M8x1.25 locking kit to replace the ones on the car. I'll keep the current ones as track spares.

To convert to M10 I just need to get ahold of a TSE M10x1.5 stud set and the Stage8 #3952 M10x1.5 locking kit then drill out / tap the manifold and drill out the turbo, right? Is there an acceptable alternative stud kit? It seems like the TSE ones are rare as rocking horse poo right now.
I do live about a mile from Full-Race, so it'd be nice if this stud set would work (obviously with the correct M10x1.25 Stage8 stuff / Resbond)

edit: nevermind, they aren't inconel 718
https://www.full-race.com/store/prec...-hardware-kit/

I hesitate to screw with the car right now since I need to take points in the next 6 events during Oct/Nov to lock up the regional TT4 championship, but it is what it is.

icantlearn 09-13-2020 05:11 PM

There is no reason to upgrade to m10 in my opinion. I haven't seen an m8 stud snap thus far. Not to mention, the manifold is made for a very hard alloy. Drilling it would most certainly suck.

shuiend 09-13-2020 08:07 PM

You also have to drill out the housing on the EFR to fit M10 and there can be some clearance issues.

Ted75zcar 09-13-2020 09:07 PM

M10 is a PITA

DeerHunter 09-14-2020 12:05 AM

Miataroadster.com sell an M10 inconel stud kit (complete with a small bottle of Resbond). One of my TSE M10 studs occasionally still unwinds through the nut and double-nutting it back on is a real PITA. These seem to be a better solution since the stud allows torquing with a hex wrench. Note: My turbo is a Garret and my understanding is that the M10s don't fit well with the EFR kits.

Leafy 09-14-2020 02:14 PM

I dont see M10s working on an EFR. The 300zx studs + copper flange washers barely fit on that 1 spot. You might be able to do 3 of them with M10 but no way for the hard one.

deezums 09-14-2020 02:34 PM

I agree, no way in hell M10 will fit. It's almost impossible just to fit the locking hardware on m8's. The flange of the M8 nut almost overruns the clearance cuts in the casting, so by that alone M10 stage 8's ain't working. There's no room to increase most of the cuts, either.

yuba 09-14-2020 03:01 PM

Thanks everyone. I ordered some spare M8 studs and a spare set of locking hardware, should hopefully be alright.

turbofan 09-15-2020 05:24 PM

You must be the one that bought Zack's car. Congrats, lovely car.

yuba 09-15-2020 05:33 PM

Indeed, I am. Timing just lined up really well with where I was with my S2000, I was about to dump another $10k into it for a cage / K24.

By going this route I have a far, far more competitive TT4 car and can run some ST locally. Chuckwalla is about as far as I normally get into California, hopefully that'll change. :)

turbofan 09-15-2020 05:44 PM

Hope so, would be good to see the car again.

willieboy97 09-16-2020 01:41 AM

Looking to see if anyone has heard anything from Andrew at TSE in regards to this kit. I have not heard any real information from him since late June (his last email was August 12th saying he would give me an update in a week). Just trying to cancel the kit now, but have been unable to get a reply to any of my emails. Mainly speaking to anyone that has also ordered a kit within the past year and a half or so, or anyone that would have other contact information other than the TSE email. I really gave TSE and the kit a chance, and I understand that there can be many issues on the manufacturing side of things, but at this point, with the lack of communication and false timelines for receiving parts, I am just feeling a bit burned and am just looking for my money back so I can go in another direction.

matrussell122 09-16-2020 10:55 AM


Originally Posted by willieboy97 (Post 1581406)
Looking to see if anyone has heard anything from Andrew at TSE in regards to this kit. I have not heard any real information from him since late June (his last email was August 12th saying he would give me an update in a week). Just trying to cancel the kit now, but have been unable to get a reply to any of my emails. Mainly speaking to anyone that has also ordered a kit within the past year and a half or so, or anyone that would have other contact information other than the TSE email. I really gave TSE and the kit a chance, and I understand that there can be many issues on the manufacturing side of things, but at this point, with the lack of communication and false timelines for receiving parts, I am just feeling a bit burned and am just looking for my money back so I can go in another direction.

You can try to reach out on his FB Andrew Kidd but at this point might be worth just going through your bank directly.

dan91 09-16-2020 10:56 AM

I have not heard anything since I was promised a refund

dan91 10-12-2020 05:40 PM

Update: still waiting on refund, no word in 2 months

willieboy97 10-12-2020 06:02 PM

Update, same feeling particularly burned in this one

XeNoMoRpH 10-14-2020 09:01 AM

Back in August I finally got a response about the remaining parts of the kit that are owed to me. Andrew said he would try to get an update to me the following week. Nine weeks later, still waiting for that update...

I thought about going the refund route as well, but figured it was the same rabbit hole.

dan91 11-02-2020 01:59 PM

This is getting ridiculous. I'm owed quite a bit of money and can't even get a response since August. Not sure what to do at this point since I'm not going to write the money off, but I'd rather not escalate to legally trying to get reimbursed.

concealer404 11-02-2020 05:47 PM

@Savington

Yo dawg, this looks bigly bad, especially since you've consistently been online and not responding.

Jesse99James 11-02-2020 06:58 PM

Hmm, the only item on the website is the unavailable turbo kit. I also found this...

"Our goal is to provide the best products and world-class support to our customers" :facepalm:

Spaceman Spiff 11-02-2020 07:28 PM

Why not just initiate a chargeback with your CC/Bank at this point? Clearly products/services paid for are not being rendered in the agreed upon timeframe, I wouldn't chock that up to malice or anything sinister, but it is what it is.

psyber_0ptix 11-02-2020 07:47 PM

FYI paypal has a pretty strict 180day refund policy. After that, you will be out of luck to reverse transaction.

Initiating an external chargeback through your creditor/bank is the best bet, but don't wait forever and read up on their policy for duration.

I recently battled a shop (Nissan/Datsun community) that lead me on for 11 months. PayPal rejected my claim twice without considering the circumstances. Credit card revoked request but I appealed since there was a definite delivery date in our correspondence. I consider myself lucky... But also had already initiated FTC, BBB and local branch of consumer protections (office of Attorney General) to start kicking up dust.

That being said it's been over a year and half since I had a miata, but Trackspeed always had quality products. I'm hopeful that this can be resolved, but you gotta do what you can to protect your assets.

andym 11-03-2020 08:08 AM

And if the above doesn't work, you can try small claims court.

icantlearn 11-03-2020 03:15 PM

Ok so I got in to contact with Andrew for you guys. He has been swamped/traveling with work which has been preventing him from communicating.

All of this is not intentional. His supply chain for manufacturing has basically cut him off (probably COVID related) and he is not able to get his hands on anything to ship out.

For those of you who would like a refund, he asks that you send him a new email. Id suggest making the subject line eye catching (e.g. *URGENT* ) as to get his attention.


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