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Old 05-07-2013, 11:50 PM   #61
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A respected race car builder / shop owner here in the bay area told me the original hubs that came on the Miata seem to live significantly longer than the OEM replacements. He recommended I replace mine every two years and also said regular racers should do it every year.
That sounds like he is talking about the fronts. I like used fronts over new because the bearings are rounder from all the miles of polishing. The grade rating of new ball bearings is poor. Over time they end up rounding themselves out.

The rears would be better new if the metallurgy was know to be of the same or better quality from 20 years ago. That is debatable to.
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Is it worth it to repack the fronts if you're going to replace them every 150 hours?

I'm just thinking of what sort of schedule I should use for "wear" items.
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The failures being discussed are structural failures on the rears. Generally the fronts are replaced much more often for bearing failures/maintenance so the hubs themselves have cooked races and are tossed before they have a chance to break.
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Are there known failures in cars that don't run stickier-than-RA1 rubber?
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Old 05-08-2013, 05:25 AM   #65
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Are there known failures in cars that don't run stickier-than-RA1 rubber?
I wouldn't consider "I use street tires" a reasonable excuse to avoid swapping these - the parts are too cheap and the failure mode too catastrophic. In addition to the hub, I lost a wheel, three tires (flatspotted the fronts), an exhaust system, and wrecked the rear bearing, and I got extremely lucky.
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Since we're on the subject, how often do you guys replace ball joints? My front uppers have like 250 hours on them. lol
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The failures being discussed are structural failures on the rears. Generally the fronts are replaced much more often for bearing failures/maintenance so the hubs themselves have cooked races and are tossed before they have a chance to break.
Yeah, I know; however, I was asking how many hours do people usually get on the fronts if they repack them versus if they don't.

I am trying to do a Cost/Benefit of buying front hubs, replacing the ball bearings with better spec'd ones, and repacking with AMSoil or just replacing with Timken branded hubs straight from the box whenever I do the rear hubs.
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Great now every time I go around turn 17 at Sebring I'm going to be thinking about my hub failing. Lucky it didn't happen earlier in the corner and you ended up in the wall.
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I wouldn't consider "I use street tires" a reasonable excuse to avoid swapping these - the parts are too cheap and the failure mode too catastrophic. In addition to the hub, I lost a wheel, three tires (flatspotted the fronts), an exhaust system, and wrecked the rear bearing, and I got extremely lucky.
Few issues rival this one (like loosing a tie rod). This is Life (or car wad) insurance we're talking about. Time to replace the hubs on our 97 street/STR Miata.
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wow that was a good one. doing that in the wrong spot could easily mean a totaled car, or worse

quick list of damaged/ destroyed parts?
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In addition to the hub, I lost a wheel, three tires (flatspotted the fronts), an exhaust system, and wrecked the rear bearing, and I got extremely lucky.
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Every ~150 track hours is a safe estimate. You could probably safely push that to 200 hours, but the failure mode is so catastrophic that it's not worth the risk. ~150 hours is about one year of racing for me. (25-30 events a year, 5-6 hours a weekend)
I just did a little math. My hub failed after 6k track miles (+36k street miles that really don't count), and at only 60mph, that's only 100 track hours!
Food for thought.
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How old was the hub when tracking started? Mileage/calendar age.
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How old was the hub when tracking started? Mileage/calendar age.
The hub was 9 years old and had 22k street miles on it when I installed it in my car as part of a complete rear end swap (rear subframe, diff, A-arms, axles, etc. It came from a 2000 SE. However, I don't think street miles produce anything like the stress the hub experienced on the track
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You guys are not making me feel better about the rusty old hubs that are stuck on the rear axles I got as part of a torsen swap. Any tricks to getting them off so I can check them out? You know besides running them on track until they fail...
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You guys are not making me feel better about the rusty old hubs that are stuck on the rear axles I got as part of a torsen swap. Any tricks to getting them off so I can check them out? You know besides running them on track until they fail...
I ran into that problem when changing all bushings and stuff on my '90. I ended up just buying rebuilt spindles from Planet Miata that come with new hubs, ARP studs, etc. Think it's $400 for the pair.
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Big impact gun + 10-ton press will get the axles out. Press the old bearing out, press a new one in, press a new hub with new studs into that.
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Big impact gun + 10-ton press will get the axles out. Press the old bearing out, press a new one in, press a new hub with new studs into that.
Any thoughts on the useful lifetime of ARP wheel studs?

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You guys are not making me feel better about the rusty old hubs that are stuck on the rear axles I got as part of a torsen swap. Any tricks to getting them off so I can check them out? You know besides running them on track until they fail...
My axle was stuck in my hub, and even after applying pb blaster daily for a week and a half, and taking it to 3 different shops that used their 20 ton presses on it, it still wouldn't budge. I had to buy a new knuckle/hub from a wrecked miata to complete my torsen swap.

You can try to separate them, but my advice would be to just buy another axle and knuckle, and a new hub and wheel bearing. Don't forget anti-seize on the axle splines.
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