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Old 04-22-2020, 10:41 AM
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It's almost like we all need to go back to normal again:

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...U1SJ9ciZ38wYZI


Families of cancer patients pan 'disrespectful' videos of dancing NHS staff while patients are dying due to cancelled operations

  • Nurses across the country have posted videos to social platform TikTok
  • Have been seen dancing around wards and some people have criticised them
  • Other nurses have used social platforms to highlight the work they are doing
  • Videos were posted to lift spirits but some people complained about them
  • Here’s how to help people impacted by Covid-19















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Old 04-22-2020, 07:21 PM
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This photo is a great illustration of free-market capitalism really showing its chops:



That is a 5 gallon bucket of 160 proof moonshine, aka hand-sanitizer. (Don't judge, it's for the TV station, where we're still running the newsroom, the ENG trucks, and the engineering and production departments.)

A lot of local craft-distilleries all across the country have completely pivoted, and diverted 100% of their capacity away from making Whiskey to making hand-sanitizer. Both have the same active ingredient, and since hand-sanitizer does not require barrel-aging, they're just running the fermenters and the stills as fast as they will go, cranking this stuff out en-masse. They're selling it basically at-cost to essential businesses, and giving it away for free to hospitals.

I put in a request with early last week, got an invoice on Monday, paid it, got my pickup window yesterday, and picked it up this morning. Curbside service. (It was kinda funny, when I called in to say I was at the sit and ready for pickup, the guy asked what car / color I was in, I told him "a silver Mazda Miata" and he said "ok, pop the trunk, I'll be right there." Ah... no.

Now I get to file an expense report for 5 gallons of moonshine from the Chicago Distilling Co.


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Joe, is it denatured?
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Joe, is it denatured?
The data sheet says that it contains ethanol, water, glycerin, and hydrogen peroxide.

So I guess that's a yes.
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Well...that's encouraging


So the summary is......it's a SUPER contagious flu. It spreads easily primarily because many people have had it and didn't know. But otherwise, the fatality rates are quite similar to the seasonal flu? So far in the US it's this study, Santa Cruz/Stanford, and LACounty/USC.
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https://fox8.com/news/coronavirus/ne...d-study-finds/


Nearly all coronavirus patients who needed ventilators in New York’s largest health system to help them breathe died, a study found.

Overall, about 20% of Covid-19 patients treated at Northwell Health died, and 88% of those placed on ventilators died, according to the study. A ventilator is a device that forces air into the lungs of patients who cannot breathe on their own because of severe pneumonia or acute respiratory distress syndrome.

Other, smaller reports have indicated that patients who need ventilation are unlikely to survive.

Just 12% of the patients in the study needed ventilators, Dr. Safiya Richardson at the Feinstein Institutes for Medical Research, Northwell Health, and colleagues found.

But this study, published in the Journal of the American Medical Association, shows how dire the outlook is for patients with severe Covid-19 disease.

The team looked at the electronic health records of 5,700 patients with coronavirus disease hospitalized at Northwell Health. Final outcomes were known for 2,634 of them.

The records support what doctors have been saying about the coronavirus: most people who become severely ill have some sort of so-called underlying condition. More than half, or 57%, had high blood pressure, 41% were obese and 34% had diabetes.
if you are healthy, you are fine.


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Originally Posted by Braineack
if you are healthy, you are fine.
It's that way with most things... then you see the "Ironman athlete nearly dies from COVID"... there are outliers and clearly people who are more (or severely more) disposed to having a bad run with this thing than others regardless of their normal state of "healthy". Perfectly normal healthy people who get this thing are a goldmine for the propaganda and fear-mongering. There is some merit to it. If you can afford to chill at home or telework, you should... but the gov't needs to be pretty clear that if the public wants this thing to end, there is a level of mortality that is going to have to be acceptable... dragging it out another 6 months so the hospitals have a chance of keeping up is the goal. And yes, THE VAST MAJORITY of people dying are already on severely borrowed time as it is. The outliers are making headlines.

Also... the critical piece of info missing from the "almost everybody with COVID who was on a ventilator still died" headline is that you need to compare it against everybody who normally dies on a ventilator without COVID. A very trusted agent in the medical field told me recently that if you go on a ventilator FOR ANY REASON for more than 48hrs, you're probably fucked. If you're so fucked that you can't breathe on your own, the ventilator is there to keep your body viable long enough to find a match for your organs. When you hear the term "pulling the plug", that's speaking directly about the ventilator, and timed to coincide with somebody else being prepped for surgery who needs your heart or kidneys.

It could very well be that more people are surviving COVID with the help of ventilators than any other illness that you would need one for. For example, if you are everyday morbidly obese, diabetic, and have heart disease... AND you go on a ventilator because your body is simply shutting down... and you don't have COVID, HOW MANY of those people eventually recover? If the answer is 0%, then the 12% of patients that survive COVID with the help of a ventilator makes them sound like miracle devices, ESPECIALLY when you consider the vast majority of those people have at least one other underlying issue... might be the triathlete guy with a touch of asthma though that makes the headlines... and not the super-fatty who only had a year or three to go anyways before the certain massive heart attack... depends on what narrative you're spoon-feeding to the scared shitless masses.
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... depends on what narrative you're spoon-feeding to the scared shitless masses.
solid.

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@Joe Perez This goes back to discussions about the US Supreme Court and Stare Decisis.

This week we had a case that reversed a previous high court decision regarding non-unanimous jury convictions:

"The Supreme Court found that the practice violated the right to a trial by a jury of peers found in the Sixth Amendment to the U.S. Constitution. Writing for the majority, Justice Neil Gorsuch said the high court was wrong to uphold the practice in 1972. “Courts in both Louisiana and Oregon have frankly acknowledged that race was a motivating factor in the adoption of their states’ respective nonunanimity rules,” he wrote."

Agreed that the USSC usually follows precedent, but they are not bound by it. Typically they do give a reason for a reversal.

Another example was Plessy vs Ferguson later overturned by Brown v Board of Education of Topeka, with the twist that Separate but Equal was not considered possible in practice.

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And yes, THE VAST MAJORITY of people dying are already on severely borrowed time as it is.
That's what really worries me about my sister. If she gets this, she's a goner.

She was on a ventilator for about a week after the lung transplant, which is normal, and recovered just fine. It's been ten years since then, and she's been slowly declining in recent years. Chronic, low-grade rejection, and of course the meds for that mean her kidneys are now failing.

She's making final preparations. We recently purchased a grave site. (I was amazed at how inexpensive grave sites are, and also, I'm now an official property-owner. Not sure how that affects my tax situation...) And she's tagged me as the one responsible for end-of-life decisions, because she thinks I'll be less emotional and more clear-headed than her husband or mom.

People our age aren't supposed to be doing this ****.

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People our age aren't supposed to be doing this ****.
That's the relativity of time. Late 40's early 50's was a fairly decent lifespan. 200 years ago, nobody would've typed that on their favorite online forum.
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That's what really worries me about my sister. If she gets this, she's a goner.

She was on a ventilator for about a week after the lung transplant, which is normal, and recovered just fine. It's been ten years since then, and she's been slowly declining in recent years. Chronic, low-grade rejection, and of course the meds for that mean her kidneys are now failing.

She's making final preparations. We recently purchased a grave site. (I was amazed at how inexpensive grave sites are, and also, I'm now an official property-owner. Not sure how that affects my tax situation...) And she's tagged me as the one responsible for end-of-life decisions, because she thinks I'll be less emotional and more clear-headed than her husband or mom.

People our age aren't supposed to be doing this ****.
*****. I’m sorry you have to carry this - I’ve done the POA/DNR proxy bit for 2 family members. The upside is that they can relax because they can trust you.
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Cant wait to see all the people injecting them selves with disinfectant because lord Trump suggested it.. just like all the people drinking hydroxychloroquine (videos are different)





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lol Something you disagree with Braineack?

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