poormxdad

You're saying because the coronavirus emergency declaration is in place, Newsom could keep the state closed indefinitely?

Joe Perez

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Having not read the California state constitution and codes in detail, my presumption, based upon the uniform model state emergency health powers act (which California had adopted in numerous forms) is that yes, governor Newsom could do this.

Again, he would not be immune from repercussions from the California Supreme Court, the California legislature, or a recall election (and possibly criminal trial thereafter, if such an order were found to be in collusion with some interested third party), but I can think of nothing that would prevent him from doing it in the first place.

This applies more or less equally to all state governors, who all have considerably more power than the President with regard to regulating the everyday affairs of the citizens of their states.

Consider the 1970 Kent State Massacre. In order to put down an anti-war protest, LeRoy Satrom, the Mayor of Kent, Ohio, declared a state of emergency, and urged Ohio governor Jim Rhodes to deploy the National Guard to Kent State University to dissipate what could fairly be classified as an unruly situation involving substantial property destruction but little to no inter-personal violence. The National Guard shot thirteen students, killing four. In the aftermath, neither Satrom nor Rhodes faced any significant consequences, and both remained in office.

poormxdad

Didn't read the rest. You're saying he couldn't have gotten it done on his own--there would be political prices to pay--but it's somehow legal for him to take advantage of the virus situation, and keeping it in play whether or not it's necessary?

Let's say the state that started with the smallest number of virus cases, has ZERO cases when the President thinks the country should reopen, but that state's governor, although he/she has no virus cases, wants to keep his/her economy closed. Is that okay?

Joe Perez

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Is it OK? That's a question for historians.

Can they legally do it? Yeah, pretty sure they can provided that the state of emergency has not been cancelled by the legislature, which they have the power to do in most states.

Braineack

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The Tenth Amendment says that the Federal Government only has those powers delegated in the Constitution. If it isn’t listed, it belongs to the states or to the people.

shuiend

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You type that out there. But the president you support literally said yesterday “When somebody is the president of the United States, the authority is total,”. So I am not so sure if what you think you believe in, is what the guy you support actually believes in.

bahurd

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The thing is, just because something is written doesn’t make it so if nobody cares enough to stop him which, in this case would mean another round through the courts and maybe the dysfunctional congress.

Joe Perez

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Assuming you were replying to me (since you didn't quote anything), that conversation is specifically about state government. Specifically, the governor of California.

poormxdad

Nevada has been hit pretty hard. It relies on tourism and gambling for most of its revenue. You're saying the governor of Nevada could lift the state of emergency and open his economy, even if it went against the recommendations of the President and the task force? That the President couldn't stop him?

Braineack

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he's not a word smith.

this is from WP:God Emporer is not a god, nor an emporer.

Joe Perez

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Of course the governor could lift the order, and of course the President can't stop him.

The President simply does not have the constitutional authority to dictate terms to the states.

Braineack

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But it was still Trump's responsibility to prepare the states for the covid outbreak and their failures are his fault. /triple88a

If Trump had ordered a national shutdown back in Jan/Feb -- Schiff would have impeached him again envoking the 10A.

poormxdad

It seems the prevailing opinion here (and Trump has walked it back and said the governors are ultimately responsible) is that the governors can do what they want about reopening their state economies. Therefore, when they lift their respective states of emergency, at a time of their own choosing, and more virus deaths follow, President Trump cannot be blamed.

I don't believe Trump says or does anything without a reason.

bahurd

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The governor of Nevada is solely responsible for lifting the state of emergency he declared on March 13. Trump can suggest/recommend whatever you want to call it.

Governor Sisolak Declares State of Emergency in Response to COVID-19

Joe Perez

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I was wondering about something...

You all are aware, I'm sure, of the various lie-counters which fake news outlets such as The Washington Post and The Associated Press are keeping, where they tally up the total number of false statements which the President has made since taking office.

So, considering the following report:

So what I'm curious about is this: When the President says something false, and then repeats this same basic falsehood two more times in the same conversation or press-conference, does that count as three separate falsehoods, or only one?

bahurd

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I wondered the same thing a while ago...

Wandering around in the Washington Post database, as that site seems to be the most involved in the subject, it seems to imply an instance of ‘xxx is a lie’ is counted as another lie if it’s mentioned by Trump again.

Example: “Again, we had the strongest economy in the world. We had our best ever. We had probably the best economy in the history of the world, bigger than China, bigger than anybody.” was repeated 291 times.

Maybe a great question to ask your news team?

Joe Perez

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Our news department kind of doesn't care.

For one, we try very hard to be nonpartisan.

But more importantly, we take the slogan "Chicago's Very Own" to heart. Aside from briefly mentioning stuff like mass-shootings and the occasional global pandemic every now and then, we mostly focus on matters of local interest. If you watch our newscast, you'll find very few mentions of national politics on an everyday basis. This is how we score #1 ratings competing against the other stations which are all network affiliates, and cover the national stuff that nobody cares about as compared to watching the penguins wander freely around the people-section of the closed Shedd Aquarium and explore places they've never been. That's what gets ratings around here.

In truth, it's more of a news-themed variety show. Heck, during the morning show today, Dean cooked pizzas on the air, sharing "quarantine comfort foods" submitted by various Chicago chefs. (We usually have a different chef on every single day, but there have been no guests in studio-for the past month or so. )

Joe Perez

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triple88a

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It's his responsibility to make the country aware of it rather than calling it a scam for a month and then claim it's not his fault..

and then you have imbeciles watching him on fox thinking "this is just the flu because trump said so"



https://www.tmz.com/2020/04/14/pasto...r9vNHrsH5NJ760

triple88a

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