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Old 03-12-2008, 04:14 PM   #1061
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I would need those pins too, Braineack hasn't answered. Does anyone have another source or do I buy $30 worth of pins fto practice with too.
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Old 03-13-2008, 01:17 AM   #1062
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I would need those pins too, Braineack hasn't answered. Does anyone have another source or do I buy $30 worth of pins fto practice with too.
Time to organize a group buy.
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Old 03-27-2008, 03:13 PM   #1063
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Did anyone ever order the pins? I need them too and dont want damn 29043424234 of them.
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Old 03-27-2008, 03:45 PM   #1064
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http://www.newark.com/

No minimum order. With shipping I paid $18 for 64 pins. I believe it was about $6 in parts and $12 to ship That was shipping to Canada though.
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Old 03-27-2008, 06:28 PM   #1066
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Thank Steelrat, was his discovery.
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Old 03-28-2008, 02:21 PM   #1067
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Actually, I just posted it. One of the local guys posted it to answer something on "our" board... I'm just passing on the info. <G>

BTW, Jay, I found that I didn't have to mod the pins to get them to lock in properly. When out at the meet last night, I had the coils, and connectors with the new pins. When they got cold enough, they just pushed in alittle more and you could hear them locking into place. (Must be some advantages to this crappy no-spring-yet temps). <G>

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Old 03-30-2008, 11:22 AM   #1068
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I love my COP setup so far; .040 gap 17 psi. I have a 1.6L MK2 Link ECU with 06 Toyota Corolla coils 90919-02239. Required 1K resistor.

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Old 03-31-2008, 02:10 PM   #1069
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Oh yeah! I forgot about that part. I've been running my same old 15 mil gap, even with a great working COP...

How much interest is there in shiney pretty plates, premade to hold your COP set up? Or, an adapter harness to plug right into the OEM connector?

I have a friend who water jets stuff for other cars, makes simple kits. For that matter, what would a kit that already fits the car, comes with coils, plate, bolts, etc so you take it out of the box and plug it in (possibly with or without soldering pigtails) - what would something like that be worth to you guys? Probably junkyard coils to keep the cost down, but it'd keep you from having to source or measure anything.
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Old 04-01-2008, 11:19 AM   #1070
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Oh yeah! I forgot about that part. I've been running my same old 15 mil gap, even with a great working COP...

How much interest is there in shiney pretty plates, premade to hold your COP set up? Or, an adapter harness to plug right into the OEM connector?

I have a friend who water jets stuff for other cars, makes simple kits. For that matter, what would a kit that already fits the car, comes with coils, plate, bolts, etc so you take it out of the box and plug it in (possibly with or without soldering pigtails) - what would something like that be worth to you guys? Probably junkyard coils to keep the cost down, but it'd keep you from having to source or measure anything.
I would pay 200 for a PnP kit with all the included coils/ect.
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Old 04-01-2008, 07:28 PM   #1071
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If you were going to do that, you would probably need NEW cops. And you'd have to make a couple different plates. I believe there are at least 5 different valve covers out there with different OEM bolt holes in them. Connectors, harness, PnP ignitor box, etc... I don't think you could do it and maintain a decent margin for under $250.

Mine:
Cops-used eBay= $70
Connectors- Conicelli= $19
Wire- RadioShack $7
Pins- Brain- Free
Plate- $7
Rod- $6
Bolts- $4
Ignitor- $30

Granted, I bought a spare ignitor to gut, but to go into "production", you'd need something PnP for the factory ignitor harness (at least on the 1.6). You'd also need a source for pin connectors that are an exact match for the connectors and those are so far not been found. You'll need the rubber inserts for the connectors for another $1 each probably.

Even buying everything in bulk, I think you'll be into the material for one set at around $150 once you design a PnP ingitor connector (who knows how much the creation of that will be). Then you need to manufacture the harness... by hand. And then shipping and all the other little bullshit costs. I'm no expert, but I think to make a decent 10% profit, you're going to be in the $250 sell point. I've never done this, so these numbers are out my ***, but they can't be too far off.
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I'd paid $250 for a complete PnP solution (from something that plugs into the OEM connector down to the coils)
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Old 04-12-2008, 03:14 PM   #1073
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Mine:
Cops-used eBay= $70
Connectors- Conicelli= $19
Wire- RadioShack $7
Pins- Brain- Free
Plate- $7
Rod- $6
Bolts- $4
Ignitor- $30
The NEW cops would be a pain, a killer maybe. I'm not sure what the rod is, or what the ignitor is, but yes, there would be a minimum of $100 in parts.

The smart thing to do is to sell the plate/bolts/connectors as a kit, let people source their own coils. It's a worse product and costs the customer more, but that's how you make money.

Too bad I don't care about making money or I'd be motivated and do it. :-P
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damn this thread is long. but if anyone is interested i want to add a part number to the list of coils to use.
PN 90919-02238 i am not sure if it is there already or not but they work on my 2001 with EMU.
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Old 04-14-2008, 08:31 PM   #1075
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best way to sell a COP kit is wiring without the COPs. This way people can choose to use used or brand new ones.
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Old 04-15-2008, 11:37 AM   #1076
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but then you have to know what coils the customer wants to buy ahead of time to make the plate correctly since different coils have different offset mount holes...
too many variables for this to work out for the seller, too many headaches for very little money...
i may make a few when i do mine, but they will state that they are only for 94-97 valve covers and xxxxx part number coils, someone will buy them lol
i guess i could make the 94-97 ones efficiently, but not the rest unless i had a test car handy to work on
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Old 04-15-2008, 12:23 PM   #1077
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250 is quite a bit... Question, are the COPs from the new mx-5's pnp for our miatas? I went to the dealer and they want 168ea... But I might be able to get them cheaper and if they are PnP then I would be interested... Any thoughts or advise?
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Old 04-15-2008, 01:26 PM   #1078
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You don't let customers choose WHICH cops to use, just if it's used or old. Create a kit for a set of easy to come by and reliable COPs (Toyota Corolla for instance) and say it only comes with wiring, harness, and mounting plate. (also maybe Jason's circuitry for Emanage users)
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right, but there are different mounting places for different toyota coils, they are all the same thing, just different offset for the mounting hole, i had no idea which i bought until they got here, and if you call a junk yard and ask for corolla coils they can send you matrix, celica, or corolla coils and never tell you which they sent you...
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Old 04-15-2008, 03:10 PM   #1080
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I'm interested in Jason's gizmo for my 99, as I'm running the stock ECU, and would like to decrease the dwell to avoid frying the COPs.
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