Keep that pimp hand strong.

 

we'll probably end up with something bigger, she's also tired of cars trying to occupy the same space she's in cause they dont see it, and she hates long doors getting in and out of tight parking spots.

 

No, but my bias of racing S2000s might influence me questioning his statement...

that is all

 

tell her your kitchen can only fit a brz

 

Hi guys. I stumbled upon the conversation and since the discussion seems to be about my car and the NASA classing I figured I'd show up and give my thoughts:

What makes you say that? I feel very strongly that this car is not a C car. Not even close. D is where it belongs, and if it gets moved up it will become obsolete and irrelevant for NASA TT competition.

Correct, the S2000 is a TTC base car. FR-S is a base TTD car. Neither have any stars attached to their base classes. One star (*) is base plus 7 points, two stars (**) is base plus 14 points.

Per the rules, you may "spend" 19 points in modifications and stay within your class. When you spend your 20th point, you get bumped up to the next class.

I disagree with you on both points here. Yes, it's daily driven... but when I run my car in TT, it is nearly to the limit of TTD in terms of points. I have a little room to make a few more HP without breaking the 14.25:1 hp/weight limit for the class, but that's it.

I also have a ton of laps around Sebring and my livelihood centers on teaching folks how to drive quickly around here. Another 3 seconds in D trim? Doubt it. If I were to do the few other mods I could in order to get another few HP out of it, we might be talking another 1/2-3/4 second. Cooler weather, slightly fresher tires, might help too.

I'm certainly open to suggestions though!

^^^ and BINGO was his name-o... ^^^

The D record at Roebling was also beaten by another competitor that weekend. I just happened to beat it more.

I whole-heartedly believe that D is the proper class. It can certainly be beaten, in fact I tried to put it all on the line at Nationals last year and go for the TTD win, at a handling track (Mid-O) in exactly the same trim as it runs now. Guess what? I didn't win. I placed 2nd by 3/10ths to a Turbo Mazdaspeed Protege driven by reigning TTD champ Bill Brees.

I don't know anything about the Miata other than it's a superchaged car that belongs to Josh Fiengold, driven by Vic Leo, who is fast. I also know that the record was largely uncontested... the TTD entrant pool hasn't been all that deep here in Florida. In fact, TT as a whole has struggled for entries for awhile. I really, sincerely hope that changes as it's a really fun group with some great tracks.

What I do know is that my car is "mildly prepped" to run on Hoosiers, and on a Visconti E85 tune - of which there are only two stations that I know of in Central Florida. One that closes at 7PM and shuts off the pumps...

So no, I don't trailer my car to the track - which is one of the beauties of it, but it does take some extra planning to get enough E85 and the tires/wheels/tools to fit in the car.

I'm actually spending some time on the West Coast this summer... I hope to bring the FR-S with me, though I'm not sure if that's going to be possible at this point. Would love to compare what I'm doing and what I've got to the West Coast guys. I'm sure I'd learn a lot, not knowing any of the tracks out there!

Again, "mostly street prepped/mildly prepped" is open to interpretation I suppose, but I'm not exactly schmucky the clown out there, breaking records in a car that hasn't been carefully modified to be competitive in the class.

When I bought the car, Time Trial was already a big part of the plans for it. I think that you're right - the car shouldn't be given a re-class based on the recent success I've been having with it in the Southeast/Florida.

 

Jon,

Direct personal experience with Miatas, S2000's and 86 at the same track in various states of tune. Some folks might say I'm an OK driver and have a rough idea how to set up a national level PT car. From the video frame alone I can see a full second you leave in car prep. No offense but a daily driven full interior, A/C, ungutted car would get smoked by a seam welded gutted car with ballast.

I am not basing my classing opinion solely on your video if that is your impression. I arrived at this conclusion about 8 months ago when after driving a press car and two track prepped cars. We did the bulk of the track testing and development for the AST application for the 86.

There is more info regarding the 86 and how it would be setup by us for D or C but I prefer to save that for the car we're building. It will be faster than Crusher, which is the fastest C car in the country (and a few feet away from me).

I might be the only one on this thread that has been around the three cars in question enough to understand the potential of each. Keep in mind, at our shop at least, the potential we unlock in platforms often exceeds what most people think is possible. So yeah, we're accustomed to skepticism.

See you at Miller if you are going.

 

lol

Apparently you're the only one that's been racing miatas for the last 23 years...

 

You're my chief skeptic and sarcasm officer. As usual, taking statement out of context with a smarmy *** reply. I said all three platforms, in various states of tune on the same track, persons in this thread.

But yeah, skeptic away dude. I stand by my opinion that mod for mod, the 86 is just as fast as an S2000.

Don't you have a big boy grand am race to do somewhere?

 

Yup, Mid-Ohio June 15th, I'll be the closer in car #92.



But before then, two SCCA Majors races in a T3 S2000, not racing against 86's because they are classed below the S2000.

Silly, right?


What's weird is the 86 is classed in ST and no one is falling all over themselves to build a car and run it. Yet, Grand AM wouldn't allow the S2000 in ST because it was too fast...

Emilio, you know I love you

 

Time will tell I guess.

 

 

Thanks for sharing that video, ******* awesome. I really like that car.

 

I'd rather watch a drifting video than that boring one.

 

I love this forum

 

 

Matt Farah, the host, annoys me.

 

Isn't that a bit redundant?

 

What is up with Subaru and their shitty factory ECU tunes? I remember bone stock STis detonating and now it seems like there is a transient ignition table in the FR-S/BRZ ECU that stops at ~5200 RPM so that high-RPM shift patterns cause detonation which then blows out the direct injector seals.

Fortunately, this is something that can be easily addressed with an ECU tune or factory ROM flash (currently only available in South Africa) but it's something to be aware of with used cars that have been driven hard.

 

This is an issue even with a normal WRX. For the AWD twins its a delay before open loop which basically means youre at 14.7 in boost. I used to hear audible detonation before I reflashed.

Stupid.

 

No, its different. And the wrx/sti have an issue like this as well but most people either tune around it or dont push the spark map all the way to the knock limit. The issue is that subaru doesnt do transient knock retard like everyone else it would seem. I know how the GM system works, in the cases causing knock on the FRZ/BRS the GM ecu's anticipate that the engine would knock under those conditions and pull timing.