1.6L 2560r record attempt
08-20-2013, 09:44 AM
#750
Boost Czar
iTrader: (62)
Join Date: May 2005
Location: Chantilly, VA
Posts: 79,483
Total Cats: 4,076
yes, it made 332rwhp at a replicable shop's dyno (with direct miata comparisons at the ready) with 19psi on:
a built 8.8CR 1.8L 1.5mm over motor
VVT
VICs
MS3x, seq. fuel, seq. spark
headwork, valve springs, shim under buckets
a straight exhaust (no muffler/cat).
https://www.miataturbo.net/megasquir...D-73409/page2/
you claim 325rwhp with a 1.6L at 22psi.
no wastegate, you claim that's all the turbo would produce.
the shittest torque curve ever.
e85
a crap head--your claim
stock IM
3" exhaust with muffler?
It's hard to search through the first 20 pages of your thread to figure out the exact specs. meanwhile, it only took ben 1 page to give us all the information we needed.
a built 8.8CR 1.8L 1.5mm over motor
VVT
VICs
MS3x, seq. fuel, seq. spark
headwork, valve springs, shim under buckets
a straight exhaust (no muffler/cat).
https://www.miataturbo.net/megasquir...D-73409/page2/
you claim 325rwhp with a 1.6L at 22psi.
no wastegate, you claim that's all the turbo would produce.
the shittest torque curve ever.
e85
a crap head--your claim
stock IM
3" exhaust with muffler?
It's hard to search through the first 20 pages of your thread to figure out the exact specs. meanwhile, it only took ben 1 page to give us all the information we needed.
Last edited by Braineack; 08-20-2013 at 10:13 AM.
Reply
0
0
08-20-2013, 10:10 AM
#753
Boost Czar
iTrader: (62)
Join Date: May 2005
Location: Chantilly, VA
Posts: 79,483
Total Cats: 4,076
except it actually makes power claimed and it doesn't have the shittest torque curve known to man; it makes 100rwtq more than yours at 3500RPM; so not same everything.
you're also hitting 80 ft-lb per MAP where the VVT motor is only hitting 75 at most; further evidence your dyno plot has been fluffed. (to be fair, 75 ft-lb per MAP is a bit high as well).
the only way to actually tell if if you both went on a dynojet.
The fact that you see the drastic differences between both builds and similar outputs but choose to ignore the undrastic [sic] difference in power is mindblowing to me.
you're also hitting 80 ft-lb per MAP where the VVT motor is only hitting 75 at most; further evidence your dyno plot has been fluffed. (to be fair, 75 ft-lb per MAP is a bit high as well).
the only way to actually tell if if you both went on a dynojet.
The fact that you see the drastic differences between both builds and similar outputs but choose to ignore the undrastic [sic] difference in power is mindblowing to me.
Reply
0
0
08-20-2013, 10:35 AM
#756
Elite Member
Thread Starter
Join Date: Apr 2010
Location: Newcastle, Australia
Posts: 2,826
Total Cats: 67
I didnt say that and you know it.
I said that the bottom end and boost onset was worked on, it was a response to your remark about how power is similar but midrange is not.
I dont doubt it isnt as good down low, never did.
Its hardly a simple 1.6, it has everything it needs at this level. Its not 500hp. It just doesnt have anything custom except hotside stuff, and retains pretty stock coldside stuff. To me this says that as this power level custom inlet sides arent needed.
Hand ported head and manifold, off the shelf cams, forged bottom end, ID1000, and you have all seen that it has a pretty good manifold and exhaust. Infact Id go as far as to say the exhaust is about as good as you can run, its around 3.5" out of the turbo and 3" the rest.
That should answer cyotani also.
It also runs E85 which I believe contributes around 10% of the final HP figure.
You are going into ad hominem now with your comments about how DIYautotune gave all the specs straight up, thats because this thread had me ask everyone a lot of questions, it wasnt just a 'hey look what we did' thread. I was trying to learn. Whatever.
You still are acting like E85 means nothing at all for total HP, frankly that's ridiculous. I believed it then, proved it to myself and believe it now.
Dann
PS: I dont want to argue about it, you have made your point, I have made mine. 18 can complain that it wasnt him operating the dyno, I dont care. I came, I asked, I searched, I built, I posted photos of the whole process, I gave my ideas out. Thats basically all MT ever wants but isnt good enough if you perform well with an untried and unrecommended combo.
I said that the bottom end and boost onset was worked on, it was a response to your remark about how power is similar but midrange is not.
I dont doubt it isnt as good down low, never did.
Its hardly a simple 1.6, it has everything it needs at this level. Its not 500hp. It just doesnt have anything custom except hotside stuff, and retains pretty stock coldside stuff. To me this says that as this power level custom inlet sides arent needed.
Hand ported head and manifold, off the shelf cams, forged bottom end, ID1000, and you have all seen that it has a pretty good manifold and exhaust. Infact Id go as far as to say the exhaust is about as good as you can run, its around 3.5" out of the turbo and 3" the rest.
That should answer cyotani also.
It also runs E85 which I believe contributes around 10% of the final HP figure.
You are going into ad hominem now with your comments about how DIYautotune gave all the specs straight up, thats because this thread had me ask everyone a lot of questions, it wasnt just a 'hey look what we did' thread. I was trying to learn. Whatever.
You still are acting like E85 means nothing at all for total HP, frankly that's ridiculous. I believed it then, proved it to myself and believe it now.
Dann
PS: I dont want to argue about it, you have made your point, I have made mine. 18 can complain that it wasnt him operating the dyno, I dont care. I came, I asked, I searched, I built, I posted photos of the whole process, I gave my ideas out. Thats basically all MT ever wants but isnt good enough if you perform well with an untried and unrecommended combo.
Reply
0
0
08-20-2013, 10:43 AM
#757
Boost Czar
iTrader: (62)
Join Date: May 2005
Location: Chantilly, VA
Posts: 79,483
Total Cats: 4,076
if your setup is so good, why does my larger $150 journal bearing turbo with shitty parts spool so much better? I'm making 240rwtq at 4K.
anyways. I never said the car wasn't making good power, I just have reservations about the actual numbers. You came in here, took twenty pages of chest pumping to finally post the exact results you wanted to make the "world record".
then we say, you know, to get rid of the difference between dynos we suggest maybe a 1/4 track to get a mph number...then you claim 125mph, but only have proof of 104mph. It further adds to my skepticism.
the point i was trying to argue about e85 was missed. it might have been missed on my part, but it was still missed none-the-less.
what mt wants is well documented build threads that can help us accomplish the same. you came in with a goal; cool. but we were begging for information, and then when we had reservations about the results, it was more like: my build is better because **** you.
but dann, it seems a little exaggerated because of x,y,z.
well brain, it's not because **** you.
anyways. I never said the car wasn't making good power, I just have reservations about the actual numbers. You came in here, took twenty pages of chest pumping to finally post the exact results you wanted to make the "world record".
then we say, you know, to get rid of the difference between dynos we suggest maybe a 1/4 track to get a mph number...then you claim 125mph, but only have proof of 104mph. It further adds to my skepticism.
the point i was trying to argue about e85 was missed. it might have been missed on my part, but it was still missed none-the-less.
what mt wants is well documented build threads that can help us accomplish the same. you came in with a goal; cool. but we were begging for information, and then when we had reservations about the results, it was more like: my build is better because **** you.
but dann, it seems a little exaggerated because of x,y,z.
well brain, it's not because **** you.
Last edited by Braineack; 08-20-2013 at 10:56 AM.
Reply
0
0
08-20-2013, 10:52 AM
#758
Elite Member
Thread Starter
Join Date: Apr 2010
Location: Newcastle, Australia
Posts: 2,826
Total Cats: 67
You would have to overlay both dynos. Im happy to discuss this question like adults, I could get the recent dyno and we could compare torque curves.
It has improved a lot since the dyno everyone got mad over. It had 4 hours on the dyno and a whole day street tuning EBC on MS last week in preparation for the event it just TQ'd.
There are a few possibilities none of which I know enough about unfortunately, perhaps its due to cams, low compression, bigger ports.
However you would need to compare the torque or boost curve of the recent dyno, because the last dyno had no work done at all pre 7psi (gate pressure). As I explained back then also.
Heres my recent point though: DIY claim even higher Hp and get 5 pages of people believing them, you kissed *** immediately, despite all of the claims that were thrown my way, and the abuse I received before during and after building my setup about how it was completely impossible no matter what.
I'm sure if you stand back and look at those 2 situations you can understand why I always though Vlad was just playing 'vlad the online impaler'. But apparently he was serious all along.
Dann
It has improved a lot since the dyno everyone got mad over. It had 4 hours on the dyno and a whole day street tuning EBC on MS last week in preparation for the event it just TQ'd.
There are a few possibilities none of which I know enough about unfortunately, perhaps its due to cams, low compression, bigger ports.
However you would need to compare the torque or boost curve of the recent dyno, because the last dyno had no work done at all pre 7psi (gate pressure). As I explained back then also.
Heres my recent point though: DIY claim even higher Hp and get 5 pages of people believing them, you kissed *** immediately, despite all of the claims that were thrown my way, and the abuse I received before during and after building my setup about how it was completely impossible no matter what.
I'm sure if you stand back and look at those 2 situations you can understand why I always though Vlad was just playing 'vlad the online impaler'. But apparently he was serious all along.
Dann
Reply
0
0
