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Old 07-21-2009, 04:02 PM   #341
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b-b-b-b-but my friend with his 500hp SUPRA (and MAN DOES HE BEAT ON IT) only torques his nuts to 25 and gosh golly they don't come off ever!
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Old 07-21-2009, 04:21 PM   #342
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I am surprised Sav hasn't jumped on this post yet. 1:26.9 is SLOW for a car like that. every turbo Miata (5) were faster at the last Miata Challenge event. a street class s2k (street tire, stock shocks, stock wheels) driven by Emilio also went faster.

I am disappointed Keith Verges has chimed in more on what he had done differently other than A286 bolts. may be a different turbo setup ?

btw. best thread I've seen in a while.
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Old 07-21-2009, 04:40 PM   #343
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I am disappointed Keith Verges has chimed in more on what he had done differently other than A286 bolts. may be a different turbo setup ?
I suspect he is not into the mt.n style of discussion
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Old 07-21-2009, 04:47 PM   #344
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I am surprised Sav hasn't jumped on this post yet. 1:26.9 is SLOW for a car like that.
yeah, I saw that and chuckled.

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Old 07-21-2009, 05:59 PM   #345
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I am disappointed Keith Verges has chimed in more on what he had done differently other than A286 bolts. may be a different turbo setup ?

btw. best thread I've seen in a while.
I thought he said he used A286 studs and safety wire?
probably doing the power-lawyer thang. I'll try to accost him next time I see him at the track. He should definitely tell me though because once I fix it, I'm going to attend a few of his track events.

I swear to Krishna if my car isn't ready and or fails at Hallett I'm going to be the most pissed off **** on earth.
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Old 07-21-2009, 09:17 PM   #346
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b-b-b-b-but my friend with his 500hp SUPRA (and MAN DOES HE BEAT ON IT) only torques his nuts to 25 and gosh golly they don't come off ever!
Ok, I got new nuts & studs. For Savington's sake I hope they don't work. Think of all the hookers & blow he could've bought with the v-band monies.


Seriously though, I have no doubt the v-band is a good way to go but you're being closed minded if you think it's the only way to go. Anyways most people here aren't going to shell out multiple thousands on a v-band setup. Us little guys need a solution too.

So I talked to the tech at 034. He said they had the same problems with their setups. Both steel & copper nuts needed to be tightened after every session. These nuts didn't move.

According to 034, this method lasts way longer than any other stud/nut method:
1. Don't use a gasket on race cars. (It'll only leak a little when cold.)
2. Use resbond on the stud
3. Tighten the stud as much as possible with vice grips! (I won't do that. I'll double nut.)
4. Use resbond on their nut
5. Tighten the nut just so it's snug

He said the studs are regular maintenance items. They will eventually stretch & will need to be replaced.
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Old 07-21-2009, 09:23 PM   #347
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Seriously though, I have no doubt the v-band is a good way to go but you're being closed minded if you think it's the only way to go.
not one person on this forum and no vendor has a tested and proven solution. Studs stretch, that will not change. That's reality, not closed-mindedness.

I'm going to try one more time with standard hardware, then I'm getting the checkbook out.

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not one person on this forum and no vendor has a tested and proven solution. That's reality, not closed-mindedness.

I'm going to try one more time with standard hardware, then I'm getting the checkbook out.
Has anyone tried what 034 suggests, or am I the first?
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Has anyone tried what 034 suggests, or am I the first?
no, because the studs stretch. You have to move to another material. Right now BEGi is getting space-shuttle studs for my car and Ill use Resbond and Stage-8 nuts.
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He said the studs are regular maintenance items. They will eventually stretch & will need to be replaced.


I don't regret jumping to v-bands one single bit.
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Old 07-21-2009, 10:35 PM   #351
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I don't regret jumping to v-bands one single bit.
i should have pulled the trigger 2 months ago, rather than getting to ******* August, limp-dicked in the end of track season. I had a boner to save money so I could buy a truck and its August and I've run one track event all year. This **** is power-gay. I would have run 4 events in the lasts 2-months if I were NA.
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Right now BEGi is getting space-shuttle studs
Are these the unobtanium ones that cost a bazillion dollars each?
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I'm going to buy a couple sets of my hardware that I have now, 3 stainless steel allen bolts and one ss hex bolt. Since I only have to use a wrench with 10* possible movement on one bolt, it doesn't take too long. I'll probably have a rod welded to a cut off ball end allen wrench so I can spin them off real quick once they're loose. I think it'll be about $5 a set. Not the best solution, annoying, slightly time consuming, but better than spending $3000 on a band aid track only car that only sees 4-5 track days a year.
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Are these the unobtanium ones that cost a bazillion dollars each?
who cares...I just want my car back. Right now I'm looking to convert my ugly miata into an NA track car and just run it. I just want to drive ont he track in some capacity.
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No, seriously I was wondering what they are ordering. Just asking in a smartass manner
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All the smack talk in this thread and noone has tried Resbond yet?
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No, seriously I was wondering what they are ordering. Just asking in a smartass manner
I really don't know. Calling tomorrow.
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Resbond going in this weekend.
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All the smack talk in this thread and noone has tried Resbond yet?
I still have a bottle waiting for you, Jason.
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According to 034, this method lasts way longer than any other stud/nut method:
1. Don't use a gasket on race cars. (It'll only leak a little when cold.)
2. Use resbond on the stud
3. Tighten the stud as much as possible with vice grips! (I won't do that. I'll double nut.)
4. Use resbond on their nut
5. Tighten the nut just so it's snug

He said the studs are regular maintenance items. They will eventually stretch & will need to be replaced.
Ah, V-bands are expensive. I asked a while ago why no one uses them. I did finally put one on my downpipe and after like 50 fixes (ok, maybe 8) I haven't had to look at it even once. So happy about this. :-)

Um, as to the studs, I'm not arguing, if that's what works, but you're not *supposed* to tighten studs, you are supposed to use the nut - tightening the stud means you give up the whole advantage of studs - you're effectively using up the strength of the stud so you can't tighten the nut much.
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