hustler's "driver shame" thread
10-21-2011, 11:19 AM
#1183
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How many CMP teeth are in there?
What is the best way to set this up on my car? Do I need to convert my 12 tooth wheel to a 12-1, and if so which tooth do I cut? How do I get a CMP for sequentail? If I cut the guts out of my CAS, how can I be certain the single-tooth triggers after #4-decompression?
I know how to measure the CKP #1 angle (protractor), how do I measure the angle of the CAS due to its unfortunate location? I'm getting really tempted to get a 99 Valve cover and make this easier.
What is the best way to set this up on my car? Do I need to convert my 12 tooth wheel to a 12-1, and if so which tooth do I cut? How do I get a CMP for sequentail? If I cut the guts out of my CAS, how can I be certain the single-tooth triggers after #4-decompression?
I know how to measure the CKP #1 angle (protractor), how do I measure the angle of the CAS due to its unfortunate location? I'm getting really tempted to get a 99 Valve cover and make this easier.
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10-23-2011, 09:25 AM
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I don't have one. I assumed I'd get a new Devil's Own kit. I don't need failsafe or a progressive controller, I just need a tiny .5 or 1gph nozzle on a toggle switch so I can run it only at the track.
Again though, I still need a better picture of what killed the intake valves. If it's a mess of wet-out, then I have another problem.
This week I'm trying to get all the fuel line parts ordered, hopefully get them built, then next week make a decision on engine management and start trimming/repairing/modifying the wiring situation. I still have to get a few things done before this car can run again.
Again though, I still need a better picture of what killed the intake valves. If it's a mess of wet-out, then I have another problem.
This week I'm trying to get all the fuel line parts ordered, hopefully get them built, then next week make a decision on engine management and start trimming/repairing/modifying the wiring situation. I still have to get a few things done before this car can run again.
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10-24-2011, 06:46 PM
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Pic of the CAS internals showing asymmetry is here:
http://www.msextra.com/doc/ms2extra/MS2-Extra_4g63.htm
Scope traces here, if you care:
https://www.miataturbo.net/megasquirt-18/sanity-check-inverted-primary-trigger-required-jimstim-29726/
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10-25-2011, 11:42 AM
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I had looked into going full sequential when I had MS2. The issue is that MS2 doesn't have enough outputs, so you have to add them. One way to do that is with jbperf's 4-channel board: http://www.jbperf.com/quad_ign_inj/index.html
And you would have to make some fairly simple modifications to the MS board and use the MS2 sequential code. Some details are here: http://www.jbperf.com/sequential/index.html
It didn't seem too complicated but it also didn't seem to be a common configuration among the members of this forum (not sure?) and I'm not exactly a trailblazer when it comes to this stuff. I'm sure I could have done it with the help of people on here and the msextra forums, but I wound up going MS3/X (I think the onboard datalogging swayed me, so I can stop using a poorly secured laptop on the track) which already has all the outputs you need and requires nothing besides hooking up a few wires to go full sequential.
And you would have to make some fairly simple modifications to the MS board and use the MS2 sequential code. Some details are here: http://www.jbperf.com/sequential/index.html
It didn't seem too complicated but it also didn't seem to be a common configuration among the members of this forum (not sure?) and I'm not exactly a trailblazer when it comes to this stuff. I'm sure I could have done it with the help of people on here and the msextra forums, but I wound up going MS3/X (I think the onboard datalogging swayed me, so I can stop using a poorly secured laptop on the track) which already has all the outputs you need and requires nothing besides hooking up a few wires to go full sequential.
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10-25-2011, 02:14 PM
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I had looked into going full sequential when I had MS2. The issue is that MS2 doesn't have enough outputs, so you have to add them. One way to do that is with jbperf's 4-channel board: http://www.jbperf.com/quad_ign_inj/index.html
And you would have to make some fairly simple modifications to the MS board and use the MS2 sequential code. Some details are here: http://www.jbperf.com/sequential/index.html
It didn't seem too complicated but it also didn't seem to be a common configuration among the members of this forum (not sure?) and I'm not exactly a trailblazer when it comes to this stuff. I'm sure I could have done it with the help of people on here and the msextra forums, but I wound up going MS3/X (I think the onboard datalogging swayed me, so I can stop using a poorly secured laptop on the track) which already has all the outputs you need and requires nothing besides hooking up a few wires to go full sequential.
And you would have to make some fairly simple modifications to the MS board and use the MS2 sequential code. Some details are here: http://www.jbperf.com/sequential/index.html
It didn't seem too complicated but it also didn't seem to be a common configuration among the members of this forum (not sure?) and I'm not exactly a trailblazer when it comes to this stuff. I'm sure I could have done it with the help of people on here and the msextra forums, but I wound up going MS3/X (I think the onboard datalogging swayed me, so I can stop using a poorly secured laptop on the track) which already has all the outputs you need and requires nothing besides hooking up a few wires to go full sequential.
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10-25-2011, 03:37 PM
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MS Inputs/Outputs are:
JS0 - Boost control
JS2 - Tacho
JS4 - Knock in
JS5 - Multiplex in
JS7 - Launch in
JS10 - Cam in
JS11 - Programmable or Seq ignition D
D15 - Programmable or Seq ignition C
PE1 - Switch tables
Everything else is handled by my expansion board.
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10-25-2011, 04:37 PM
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Yes, I'm going to Reverant's bauceness. However, this is for 1.6 electronics with a 99 engine running a CKP, CMP for phasing, and no AC, no PS...
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10-25-2011, 05:50 PM
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So should I run water injection off MS or run it off one of the boost sensors in the DO kit (maybe AEM)? I want to trigger it at 160kpa and use a .5GPH nozzle.
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10-25-2011, 07:18 PM
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It's a waste to run an AEM kit or the like if you're just going to just turn it wide *** open at 160kpa.
I'm running an AEM kit on my Ubercharged car, but I'm using all the fail safes and boost referenced ramping, as I'm not running an intercooler. Personally, I wouldn't run it at all if I was just going to run a Hobbs switch and turn the **** on at a certain boost level. I feel ghetto enough running it with 40 fail safe conditions, data logging, a flow meter, a pimp-tight constant-on pump/ variable pump head flow controller, etc, etc, etc.
I'm running an AEM kit on my Ubercharged car, but I'm using all the fail safes and boost referenced ramping, as I'm not running an intercooler. Personally, I wouldn't run it at all if I was just going to run a Hobbs switch and turn the **** on at a certain boost level. I feel ghetto enough running it with 40 fail safe conditions, data logging, a flow meter, a pimp-tight constant-on pump/ variable pump head flow controller, etc, etc, etc.
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